Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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[seeThereWeAreThen]

When and where is the webchat with DD?

I can't see it anywhere

[MephistophelesApprentice]

From the article which TheNewStatesman linked:

^The group of men is suspected of planning a "serious act threatening the security of the state," police said in a statement.
The two men who were arrested were living in refugee shelters, Berlin police spokesman Stefan Redlich told news channel N24.
"The refugee shelters where the suspects lived were searched," Redlich noted.^

IS linked terrorists from Algeria: So terrorists pretending to be refugees pretending to be migrants. Yeah, no security threat whatsoever...

[DespicableBee]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35490143

Cologne carnival, tighter police security

[DespicableBee]

www.express.co.uk/news/world/640973/Cologne-sexual-harassment-Europe-wide-issue

[AMouseLivedinaWindMill]

britt sorry to hear of your experience, I do want to stress I have polish family members, we have friends from poland at the school, etc.

This is purely my experience of lots of young men from the EU living next to me, and there were other houses on the street with neighbours suffering in a similar fashion.

[januarybrown1998]

Interesting segment on today's From Our Own Correspondent about migrants in Finland. (Starts at 12.11)

[RebeccaMumsnet]

@januarybrown1998

Britt MN will start a thread in web-chats and we can start posting questions for DD as soon as they do. I'll report my post and ask when that will be so we can make sure there are plenty of questions about how the government can/will/should be protecting women's rights in the wake of Cologne and other attacks and the wider implications for our society of the under-reporting and minimisation and victim-blaming that occurred in the aftermath.

He will be answering the questions, on a thread like this, live. Or you can read it all afterwards if the timings don't work for you.

Hi there,

First of all, apologies, there has been a bit of miscommunication from MNHQ about this due to different staff on at different times and a confusion that this was a MNHQ organised webchat, which it is not.

You have done all of the leg work so you are more than welcome to run the webchat yourselves, please do invite DD over and agree a date and time and hold that chat with him.

Keep us posted as to how it went.

Good luck with the chat.

[LumelaMme]

Thanks for that, Rebecca.

Is there any chance MNHQ could make the thread a sticky for say an hour before and an hour or two afterwards? It looks as if it will be on Monday from 1pm to 2pm.

[seeThereWeAreThen]

and a confusion that this was a MNHQ organised webchat, which it is not

Okaaaaay

Barge poll springs to mind

[januarybrown1998]

Hi, sorry to be thick, this is what I was sent:
Hi there,
That's great news. We take it from here, really, so from what Iona says it has been passed on to the relevant webchat people at MN and you should expect an announcement in due course. Any help with sharing the announcement on your social media sites would be much appreciated, we're sure,

Best,

Helen
MNHQ

So what are the mechanics please? How does DD 'appear'? Will his posts be a different colour etc? Thanks!

[RebeccaMumsnet]

yy, that is the mail that i saw and have apologised for, I had previously mailed Lumela to wish you all luck. Apologies again for the miscommunication.

DD will need to join MN and post as anyone else. As this is not a MNHQ webchat, he will not have a colour unless he is the OP of the thread.

[BungoWomble]

On a tangent, anyone heard of Roosh V? He's a US citizen of middle east and islamic origins who calls himself a 'neo-masculinist', by which he means he holds to traditional beliefs about the overwhelming superiority of men. He writes blogs and books about how to pick up women and has called for rape to be legalised. He also holds gatherings for men of similar mind, and some were scheduled to take place in the UK. It's the sort of thing that you desperately hope is satire, but even if it was it would be shit. I've just been sent a petition to stop those events www.change.org/p/police-scotland-home-office-prevent-pro-rape-rooshv-events-in-the-uk, and there's another to ban him from the UK altogether. Bit of background info at www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35474206

Both are already doing well, so perhaps those people suggesting change.org for the Cologne petition were right. It's also good to know that there are other people who don't want to see islamic and misogynistic ideas win out over western women rights too.

[ItsJustaUsername]

Roosh V has had to cancel all his planned uk meetings. I believe the hackers anonymous hacked his forum and the id of his followers and he can 'no longer guarantee their safety'. (Either that or he was scared off by the threats of a 'Glasgow kiss'.

[DeoGratias]

I don't think banning things is usually the way as it just makes these people feel even more important. Men going their own way (MGTOW) are another group who appeal to men who don't like women or would like to live without them although that's fine = plenty of men and women don't want or need relationships. It is when they break the law by hurting others there is the problem. Let them say what they like.

[BungoWomble]

But on the other hand, verbal harassment leads into physical. There is no clear division between the two and a lot of links. We wouldn't give racist bigotry like this a public platform - it wouldn't be allowed under British law. Why should gendered hate speech be any different?

[DeeEm]

Hello. I posted before about the Sikh/Hindu girls being targeted. I stumbled on from the 80s. It's about violence between Sikh and Muslim gangs in Birmingham. The violence started after Sikhs were passing out leaflets. The leaflets said Muslim youth were hanging around the schools, abducting Sikh girls, raping them and putting them into prostitution. Sound familiar?

They say they had given evidence including names and the number plates of the offender's cars to the authorities. The man in the vid says the police did nothing.

As for the carnival, I'm kinda scared to read about it tomorrow. 10th Feb seems so far away. I'm hopeful the police will try their best to keep people safe, now that all eyes are on Cologne.

[JoMackl]

Thanks for making the DD webchat happen, LumelaMme and others. Looking forward to Monday lunchtime.

I can't help but wonder, though, why Mumsnet is officially distancing itself from this one. They've hosted politicians of all stripes, including Nigel Farage in the past.

Is this issue really so untouchable to the MN worldview?

(Or AIBU to smell something fishy in this? - I'm a fairly long-time lurker, but only a very recent poster, so I might be missing something.)

[januarybrown1998]

Jo, it would be extraordinary if that were true; it's a subject that is the exact fit for this site, I'd have thought womens and girls' safety and how the government plan to reassure us post-Cologne

Any comment, MNQH?

[BrittEkland]

DeeEm Thanks for the vid, which reminded me of the Slough fighting between Sikh and Muslim. That was in 1997, when some Sikh young men travelled from Southall to Slough for a punch-up.

Also that year, around 5 Nov, in West London there was fighting in my local park between Sikh and Muslim. Apparently police were out in force on horses. Amazingly I didnt hear anything, there was nothing in the papers and I learned of it months later. Still nothing on internet.

[GraceKellysLeftArm]

No great surprise the kybosh was put on that webchat.

Interesting but sad DeeEm... those who cannot learn from history...

Anyway, these links are particularly fitting today I feel - and I cannot help wonder if the "silent majority" are starting to find their voices - this very thread being indicative of.

I'm another one reluctant to post this on fb lest I be branded xenophobic/racist. :( There are very few people I feel I'm able to have such candid conversations with, without it turning into some base argument, left or right.

observer.com/2016/02/the-totalitarian-doctrine-of-social-justice-warriors/

quillette.com/2015/12/06/the-shame-and-the-disgrace-of-the-pro-islamist-left/

[GraceKellysLeftArm]

From the first article linked to above: "While all revolutions are prone to devouring their children, the SocJus movement may be especially vulnerable to self-immolation: its creed of “intersectionality”—multiple overlapping oppressions—means that the oppressed are always one misstep away from becoming the oppressor."

[januarybrown1998]

Grace

Also thought this an apt quote:

Because SocJus is so focused on changing bad attitudes and ferreting out subtle biases and insensitivities, its hostility to free speech and thought is not an unfortunate byproduct of the movement but its very essence.

[AMouseLivedinaWindMill]

I can't help but wonder, though, why Mumsnet is officially distancing itself from this one. They've hosted politicians of all stripes, including Nigel Farage in the past

I agree! Helens post is quite clear and it sounds like things were already in the pipe line!

only to be pulled. I don't find it extraordinary though the founder must be very labour leaning and indeed the wife of someone who has links the guardian etc?

[BungoWomble]

MNHQ I would guess are worried about their forums needing to be open to all and are not willing to get involved in a conflict between women's rights and, potentially, multiculturalism. I'm disappointed to be honest. But they're still letting us have the forum, so ta for that.

[BrittEkland]

Thanks, GraceKelly for the two links.

“linguistic cleansing” – yes, I think we’ve had some good examples on these threads of a few who like to correct posters’ contributions. And as far as I am concerned, if you are at a uni there is no reason why you should shy away from “feeling uncomfortable.”

LGBTQ+ should be ashamed of themselves for supporting Islamofascists.

The reason the Left such as those at Goldsmith’s are opposed to Namazie speaking is because they are Communist. They are caught between the dogma of communism and this prevents them exercising commonsense and criticising Islam. At some level they must know that Islam would obliterate every one of them in a heartbeat. To Islam this type of student is a Useful Idiot (Stalin kept a few of them around).