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AIBU to be angry that it's now ok to sexually assault overweight women?

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WithTwoGiantBoys Fri 18-Oct-19 07:09:35

Today Paul Gasgoine was cleared of sexual assault after he admitted forcefully and sloppily kissing a complete stranger on the lips. He somehow successfully argued that as the woman was a "fat lass" there was no sexual desire in his action, he was just cheering her up after some other prat had commented on her weight. I an FURIOUS that this decision erodes women's bodily autonomy, nobody should have to put up with a drunk man's attempted pity snog just because she is overweight.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50068077

Iamagree Fri 18-Oct-19 07:11:04

Yanbu.
Imagine if he'd done that to another man

Billballbaggins Fri 18-Oct-19 07:12:19

Imagine if he'd done that to another man

Yep

GrimalkinsCrone Fri 18-Oct-19 07:12:40

No, YANBU.
He should have been convicted of assault, and I don’t understand why he wasn’t. He’s always been a disgusting man child, in addition to his very real mental health issues.

GingersAreLush Fri 18-Oct-19 07:13:29

YANBU I’m fuming about this too. He has definitely assaulted her, sexually or otherwise. His defence was “ahh well she’s fat so I didn’t fancy her” should have been blown out of the water- sexual assault and rape is about power not sexual desire in the conventional way.

As an aside, on what planet must he be on to actually think this woman would be cheered up by a kiss from him after she’d been verbally abused?! Fuck off with yourself Gazza hmm

OneTerrificMouse Fri 18-Oct-19 07:13:49

It's been ok to sexually assault, rape and murder women for ages.

Just get a good excuse and bingo, men can do what the fuck they want to us. We don't fucking matter.

BarrenFieldofFucks Fri 18-Oct-19 07:14:24

Fuck me. Another thread to make me despair.

Magpiefeather Fri 18-Oct-19 07:16:11

Fucking hell. Rage is bubbling up inside me. Such an injustice.

Kalim8 Fri 18-Oct-19 07:17:08

YANBU

NewNameGuy Fri 18-Oct-19 07:21:03

Taking the story, he sat next to and gave a small kiss to a woman who had been verbally assaulted, presumably thinking his famousness might cheer her up?

Like if George Clooney did it.

I think the crux is did he give her a "peck" as in that article or a "forcible sloppy kiss".

Interesting that it also mentions the "lesser charge" of assault?

Queenoftheashes Fri 18-Oct-19 07:21:56

Yeah this pissed me off as well. I thought we were in the age of consent and now recognised that the onus is on the kisser to get consent before they start slobbering.
Probably the judge likes Gazza and remembers him crying in the 90s and being a hero, shortly before assaulting his wife eg head butting her for laughing at another man’s jokes.

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 18-Oct-19 07:26:01

Its a shite system.

It seems (and always has done) that being famous gives (some of) them an excuse to assault people due to the excuse that they are famous and must have wanted it.

ScreamingValenta Fri 18-Oct-19 07:27:46

YANBU

It's as if, by being overweight and unattractive (in Gascoigne's eyes) she has forfeited her basic human rights.

Where does this end?

Will other men read this and be inspired? "No, she didn't consent to sex with me but I thought it might cheer her up?"

WithTwoGiantBoys Fri 18-Oct-19 07:28:05

@NewNameGuy no. It doesn't depend on what kind of kiss he gave her. At all.

It matters that he kissed her against her will. Or at least it should matter.

Clearly you can do what you like to fat women and they should be grateful.

Beveren Fri 18-Oct-19 07:28:59

The decision doesn't set any sort of legal precedent - it's basically just a jury decision that the charge was not proved beyond reasonable doubt. There's nothing about it that amounts to a declaration that sexual assault on anyone is OK.

Greysparkles Fri 18-Oct-19 07:34:18

I disagree that it doesn't matter what kind of kiss it was.

You will never convince me a small peck on the cheek is sexual assault.

Iflyaway Fri 18-Oct-19 07:36:36

Adds insult to injury for that poor woman.

I'm furious he got away with it. The creep.

ScreamingValenta Fri 18-Oct-19 07:37:49

it's basically just a jury decision that the charge was not proved beyond reasonable doubt.

The problem is that the law is at fault because it's set out to prove the wrong thing.

- It is not in dispute that he kissed her
- It doesn't seem to have been in dispute that she didn't ask for or initiate the kiss

They've based the decision on Gascoigne saying that his motives weren't sexual. That, to me, is irrelevant with an action as deliberate as a kiss.

It's as if they're saying (e.g.) if he bumped into her accidentally and knocked her over, that wouldn't be assault - which, of course, it wouldn't - but a kiss is different because, whatever his underlying motives, there's no way the kiss wasn't intentional.

The jury has accepted his word that it wasn't sexual but totally ignored the woman's assurance that it was unwanted.

feelingverylazytoday Fri 18-Oct-19 07:38:09

I'm surprised it actually got to court. It just seems like drunken bad behaviour to me, more like being drunk and disorderly. Which he should have apologised for.

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe Fri 18-Oct-19 07:39:08

I am also angry...it seems if you are an alcoholic has been you are ok to do as you wish...gazza..the gift that keeps on giving...what a pillock.

Howlovely Fri 18-Oct-19 07:39:16

If he was such a hero wanting to 'cheer her up' why didn't he say something to those pricks who called her rude names? I cannot think of a more gross thing than to have some creepy old drunk slurring next to me that I was beautiful after being publically humiliated and insulted on a train and them have him slobber all over me against my will. And to then be made to feel that I ought to have felt grateful and cheered up because I'm a fat lass? I don't think so.
Gazza really is like a cat with nine lives. But a cunt.

DriftingLeaves Fri 18-Oct-19 07:39:36

Very, very angry.

hormonesorDHbeingadick Fri 18-Oct-19 07:42:36

* GrimalkinsCrone* he was convicted of assault but the media are leading with him being cleared of sexual assault.

I thought most rapes where power motivated not sexually motivated. Does this mean rapist should now be convicted of assault or GBH rather than rape?

I’m horrified by this decision.

birdsdestiny Fri 18-Oct-19 07:43:20

And this is women's lives. That apparently a slobbering man can forcibly kiss us and we should be happy with an apology.

MarieG10 Fri 18-Oct-19 07:43:30

Just the vagaries of the jury system. I think the trial was at Newcastle court and Gascogne is still a semi hero there so it doesn't surprise me at all.

I think it also doesn't surprise people that have sat as jurors

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