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To wonder wtf is going on in Wales?

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brexitstolemyfuture Mon 24-Apr-17 22:20:21

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-labour-poll-wales-yogov-majority-seats-first-time-century-a7699776.html%3famp

Tories predicted to get a majority for the first time in a century. I thought this was fake news, but no it's real shock

BeyondUser24601 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:26:05

I posted elsewhere earlier, I have heard people on my council estate (s wales) saying they will be voting Tory.

It's not really a surprise when we (Wales overall) voted for brexit despite recieving so much in EU funding.

I'm wary of commenting too much though, as I honesty wonder who democracy works for now. It certainly isn't the people who vote against their own interests like this.

LemonSqueezy0 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:28:13

I was so shocked to read this... But actually, following the Brexit vote, maybe I shouldn't be. Turkeys voting for Christmas..

BeyondUser24601 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:29:52

Commenting here, that is. Tends to lead to "who are you to think you know better, would you prefer a dictatorship" etc etc etc

DonkeyOaty Mon 24-Apr-17 22:30:43

I don't understand what's happening. I mean, first the Welsh vote was something like 55/45 for leaving the EU, now this poll.

Wales, come ON; give your heads a wobble.

BeyondUser24601 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:31:42

These turkeys aren't just voting for xmas, they're voting for wizzard's 365 christmases a year!

dinosaursandtea Mon 24-Apr-17 22:32:11

Oh GOD. Honestly, I give up. It's turkeys voting for Christmas, Thanksgiving and an all you can eat turkey buffet.

NotTheDuchessOfCambridge Mon 24-Apr-17 22:33:13

Well Labour were the party of Wales and Wales got nowhere under them either so maybe they are trying another tactic. Or maybe they are voting Conservative because they are the only ones that look strong enough to run the Government. I have been a Labour voter all my life and I am struggling with my conscience on this one. Part of me would rather eat a horse before voting Tory, the other part cannot see another person/party strong enough.

BeyondUser24601 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:33:36

I'm not a labour voter, but I'm wary of chancing that my relatively safe mp doesn't get back in, so considering voting tactically for the first time in my life.

I might even let labour DH stick a poster up for once

SoulAccount Mon 24-Apr-17 22:34:16

Ah, yes, Wales where Tories Thatcher and Major decimated the coal industry, Wales that voted against the EU that funded all the new schemes and jobs, and Wales that has hardly any farming to benefit from EU farming subsidies?

I am sure they know what they are doing.

user1492679224 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:34:16

Oh FFS! You get so much funding from the E.U.? Do you? Do you realise we pay them more then they give us back? Don't you realise that without our money, when we finally stop funding them then the E.U. will collapse? Don't you think that all the money we are sending them would be better spend here?

user1492679224 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:35:21

Don't you think our fishing industry would be hugely better off out of the E.U. and that it would be a good thing to not have to throw excess fish back into the ocean? hhmmm? Don't you?

BeyondUser24601 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:36:09

I'm quite sure TM said she will not be giving us anywhere near what the EU has.

SoulAccount Mon 24-Apr-17 22:37:52

Well, IF we can trade enough to still have that money, without a tariff free Europe to trade with, and IF the government choose to put that money into Wales....

GraceGrape Mon 24-Apr-17 22:38:15

I think it will take things to become obviously rubbish for the economy plus an overhaul of the Labour Party (most immediately its leadership) for the tide to turn. The Tories seem to be very good at telling everyone they're doing a simply wonderful job and being believed.

BadKnee Mon 24-Apr-17 22:38:18

I wouldn't dismiss the Welsh vote as stupid - it shows a lack of respect and understanding of the issues. There were clearly reasons why the Welsh voted that way, and reasons why they will cast their votes a certain way in the upcoming election. Understanding those reasons is crucial.

I am not Welsh and have no connection with Wales so can't comment but someone from Wales may be along soon to enlighten us.

user1492679224 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:39:29

You do realise that we, the U.K. survived quite well before the E.U. which was the 'Economic Union' which unfortunately became the European Union? Have you any grasp of the history of Britain and the U.K? Get a backbone and hope to aspire to be British! It is just as well you didn't have to go through the Blitz in WWII. Who would you blame then, when you couldn't get meat? Bananas? Oranges? What would you do? Throw a hissy fit or get a stiff upper lip and get on with it? I think I know. sad

wasonthelist Mon 24-Apr-17 22:41:45

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

I wish I had a pound for every time this gets trotted (!) out.

BeyondUser24601 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:44:24

I don't have an opinion on the fisheries, there are pros and cons to both sides.

Badknee I am Welsh so consider my opinion "authentic", and you are being much more diplomatic about it than I am in my head grin

PickAChew Mon 24-Apr-17 22:44:59

Do you want a rousing brass band to go along with that diatribe, user[somenumbers]?

SoulAccount Mon 24-Apr-17 22:45:38

We had a steel industry, a coal industry, a wide range of manufacturing. Textiles, bicycles, cars....

And we traded on equal terms with our closest neighbours.

This is nothing to do with an ability to endure the Blitz or how British you feel, this is an objective look at our economy.

scaryteacher Mon 24-Apr-17 22:46:16

Soul without a tariff free Europe to trade with One would hope that the EU realises that tariffs will harm them too.

Elphame Mon 24-Apr-17 22:46:28

Thank you badknee

I'm Welsh, I own property in Wales and I will be voting Tory as will most of the people I know.

BeyondUser24601 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:46:40

If we're doing a history lesson, it's weird to miss out that it started as the EEC.

Goldfishjane Mon 24-Apr-17 22:47:34

"It certainly isn't the people who vote against their own interests like this"

I'm sick of comments like this and I'm not even a Brexiteer! the money that Wales got could have gone straight to Wales, it didn't have to go from the UK to the EU to Wales.

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