To wonder wtf is going on in Wales?

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Tories predicted to get a majority for the first time in a century. I thought this was fake news, but no it's real

It's cash in, cash out.

EU funded dragon

I appreciate there is some other funding here (WAG etc) but all part of a small regenerated area, which was just paved before. Not really a need for this.

I live in West Wales, our livelihoods are tourism and farming based.
The vast majority of tourist attractions are here due to EU funding, and EU subsidies are imperative to local farmers. Wales isn't just coal mining you know.

Stephen Crabb was my local Tory mp.. virtually all our dentists and hospital consultants are from abroad.. Yep Brexit and the Torys are really going to make things better for us

Cailleach I assume the research is based on estimates as it would be nigh-on impossible to extricate the exact amount Wales contributes. If you want some bedtime reading, the actual report is available here. I'm sure it's thrilling!

I won't necessarily vote Tory but I understand the reasons people in my area will. They are not stupid but they are very frustrated by labour and the way we are run. I don't think anyone is expecting the mines to reopen but they are thinking they need to do something different and the options are massively limited. Vote plaid / lib dem, you are essentially throwing your vote away. Vote labour and you get more of what we've already put up with. With that train of thought, Tory is the only option.

In my area (small valley town) the EU funding went to nonsense projects. The next town over got support for some business ventures and community programmes etc. It was all handled so badly people are just annoyed by the whole thing - and of course the election focus is on Brexit and people are tying their votes together (i.e. Leave / Tory votes are being seen as one and the same).

I wonder if you live near me, Handbag? As it's been said on the news by people commenting in the last few days (possibly in Ebbw Vale or Merthyr?) - Labour could put a donkey up for election here and people will still vote for it. I just can't see the massive shift that they're talking about actually happening.

Surely Welsh Leanne, she's welsh you know, Woods, from Wayuls can sort it all out.

I like Leanne- her party, or so much!
My DC played election banner bingo in Cardiff the other day; Conservatives narrowly beat Lib Dem, with the only red sign in existence being a for sale sign (we were in the 'proper posh' bit though!)

*not so much, even!

Maybe they have realised that the definition of stupidity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. Maybe Wales is poor, with poor education and poor NHS is because it is run by Labour.

Thanks grape. Too late for much focus. Just gleaned they use methodologies apportioning contributions and receipts.

Not the other benefits of having access to the EU single market etc. Companies or businesses which set up because of this membership or the access to the other 27 countries.

Maybe not quite the best analogy. But like an owner looking at the cost of the licence for a taxi cab as a liability without taking into account what the licence enables you to earn as a business.

I like Leanne, too. She comes across as reassuringly normal.

Another not surprised ...for various reasons.
And I guess looking at the current choices of next PM who would you think would do a better job in the negotiations? Do you really Corbyn is up to it?
Also can I just point out that everyone saying Corbyn is an honest politician with principles ...I really struggle with this. Corbyn was euro-sceptic - but he went with remain. He is anti- nuclear -but supporting Trident and Nuclear power. The joke about him voting against Labour more than the Tories etc. I think we need more conviction politicians - of any political leaning - but I don't think Corbyn is one...or he would have been a brexiter for a start...

Actually between him and TM - I think she is more the conviction politician and she did a massive U turn on Brexit....it is a pretty sad state of affairs...

Not everyone in Wales is from deep in the valleys and rely on heavy EU funding.
I know many that will be voting Tory for the same reasons those in England will be.

The Tories are very very good at selling their policies and they have the best leader of the three main parties.

I think the Tory policies sound good on paper but I know what the Tories are like so no chance are they getting my vote. Hell, they should appeal to me but their rhetoric is incredibly divisive and aggressive. Some interpret this as "strength". I do not.

I can only hope that labour pick themselves up and reinvent themselves for 2022 because that's the first chance they'll have at power, counting this GE.

My only hope is that people realise that voting matters - look at the EU referendum outcome and turnout is a lot higher. I know a referendum vote is different but the result really fired people up.

unlucky You're not voting for PM..........

I stayed in a small ex mining town in Wales just before Brexit and I sat opened mouthed as the locals in the pub said they were all voting for UKIP. It was because of immigration. There was not an immigrant to be seen for miles.

As the daughter of an immigrant I decided I would not go back there or my money on Welsh tourism. I go to Scotland more often now.

I would not be surprised if the general election swing to the Tories was for the same Brexit/anti-immigration reasons. It's weird.

Also to those claiming that 'we' give the EU more than they give us. That's rubbish. Maybe parts of England are net contributors but Wales certainly is not. If the EU didn't state that Wales was one of its poorest regions they wouldn't have sent all that money to provide jobs. The Tories will go back to ignoring Wales the second the election is over. They will not see anything near the investment they've had. The Tory government will focus on England as always.

Soul This is the difference I think that some in the EU are ideologically wedded to the project and nothing must interfere with that, even if the EU is damaged by it, , whilst others see it in more pragmatic terms. If we import more than we export, and the EU ideologues decide to have a tariff war, who collects more in tariffs if we set tariffs at the same level?

It's all very well spouting off about no benefits without commitment, but it's also bloody hypocritical, as very few EU member States keep to their commitments as NATO nations, yet are happy to reap the benefits of the dosh, expertise and nuclear umbrella supplied by the U.S. and ourselves. Belgium and Germany are especially culpable in this area.

Blaenavon steelworks is shut.
It shut before the EU
It will stay shut after.
The EU funded making it a museum that employs a couple of people.

The families in the valleys moved there for work 150 years ago.
The work is gone.
It will not come back despite the shiny new buildings in Merthyr

Did you know currency fluctuations account for higher costs than import tariff? So this idea that we must get a tariff free trade deal is nonsense. We contribute far more to the EU than we get back. If all trade ceased, we would be a far wealthier nation, maybe even with a surplus! It is a parasitic utopia of the sanctimonious self righteous and the sooner it is does with the better. These arguments that the nasty Tories will destroy everything make no sense. Why would people commit their lives (Like TM has done) to politics only to destroy things? Maybe the coal industry went down, as it was going down hill anyway. Power stations were converting to Gas and renewables. Only last week we went a day without using coal to generate electricity. Or would do you still want people mining coal that has no actual use, and we just pay them anyway? Some of you need you rheads screwed on, the Tories do a far better job of looking after the country than Labour could ever do.

*The sooner it is done with the better

Brexit is why they are voting tory they watched Brexit because of immigration and all our British jobs going to them there foreigners

Fucking idiots the lit of them

I'm expat working class Welsh I can hear them all ranting over their pints in the workies

This sort of contempt is exactly why the left can't depend on working class votes anymore. If you dismiss people and their concerns and call them fucking idiots you're not going to win any votes from them.

To become electable again the left needs to connect with these people and address their concerns rather than offering something they don't want then insulting them when they won't take it.

To be honest I think the entire UK is in a mess because people find it easier to blame a scapegoat than an actual living breathing person . Blame the EU because money spent in a local area was badly managed , far easier than looking at who was badly managing the money and holding them to account . Far easier than ringing up your local council and suggesting other things they could spend the money on . Far easier than getting involved .

Not saying that people on this thread haven't tried or got involved .

So no Conservative party MP or current Conservative MP voted for a criminal war. They weren't complicit as criminal shysters too. Clear conscience on that one if that is the reason.

They're not as complicit. Because there was that little matter of Blair misleading parliament and therefore them...

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Where is the British owned industry on British soil? So how do you suppose we oil the wheels of commerce, let alone feed ourselves? We are now a nation of consumers and service providers. Whilst Maggie was busy selling houses off and shutting everything down including letting the car industry implode, the likes of France, Italy and Germany were propping theirs up. The result? No more British Leyland, British owned Rover, Jaguar etc. Contrast that to all of the French, Italian and German owned car manufacturers then extrapolate this to all the damage that has been done to this country through short sighted policies. We are not well equipped to go it alone despite what people may wish to say.