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FAKE news, LIES, fake lies. We need the Trump Oracle.

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Lweji Sun 26-Feb-17 13:23:13

A new thread. From

cozietoesie Sun 26-Feb-17 13:25:35

Thanks, Lweji. smile

AndHoldTheBun Sun 26-Feb-17 13:29:31

A long, but very interesting read.

BiglyBadgers Sun 26-Feb-17 13:33:18

Hello new thread! Cussing I am following you on Twitter. I am @jeepersmccoy but I don't tweet, I sort of lurk about in the shadows land of Twitter like a ghost and report back here grin

cozietoesie Sun 26-Feb-17 13:33:26


I'm not sure that all the Trump supporters are supporting any secessions. It's a real poisoned chalice for them, that topic.

Dumdedumdedum Sun 26-Feb-17 13:37:31

Thanks for the new thread, Lweji.
Speaking of fake lies, Pain, I was under the impression that Obama did not try to exclude Fox from press briefings, though it was suggested by some Trumpeters that he had. So I don't understand "Fox News tweeted that they stood by the journalists excluded from the gaggle just as the excluded journalists stood by Fox News when Obama tried to do the same thing.", either.
Which reminds me, one of the comments I saw on FB about the video of Obama emerging from a building in New York and being cheered by the crowd which had gathered to catch a glimpse of him, was that it was obviously staged. Clearly, the commentator doesn't know New Yorkers very well, they'll form a crowd to greet the opening of an envelope grin

Lweji Sun 26-Feb-17 13:41:20

Interesting web of lies, AndHoldTheBun.

"Mercer invested in Cambridge Analytica, (...) “driven in part by an assessment that the right was lacking sophisticated technology capabilities”. But in many ways, it’s what Cambridge Analytica’s parent company does that raises even more questions.

Emma Briant, a propaganda specialist at the University of Sheffield, wrote about SCL Group in her 2015 book (...). Cambridge Analytica has the technological tools to effect behavioural and psychological change, she said, but it’s SCL that strategises it. It has specialised, at the highest level – for Nato, the MoD, the US state department and others – in changing the behaviour of large groups. It models mass populations and then it changes their beliefs."

"In the course of the US election, Cambridge Analytica amassed a database, as it claims on its website, of almost the entire US voting population – 220 million people – (...)
It’s the database, and what may happen to it, that particularly exercises Paul-Olivier Dehaye, a Swiss mathematician and data activist who has been investigating Cambridge Analytica and SCL for more than a year. “How is it going to be used?” he says. “Is it going to be used to try and manipulate people around domestic policies? Or to ferment conflict between different communities? It is potentially very scary. People just don’t understand the power of this data and how it can be used against them.”"

"Sam Woolley of the Oxford Internet Institute’s computational propaganda institute tells me that one third of all traffic on Twitter before the EU referendum was automated “bots” – accounts that are programmed to look like people, to act like people, and to change the conversation, to make topics trend. And they were all for Leave. Before the US election, they were five-to-one in favour of Trump – many of them Russian." Ahem, claig et al, most likely.

"Many of the techniques were refined in Russia, he says, and then exported everywhere else. “You have these incredible propaganda tools developed in an authoritarian regime moving into a free market economy with a complete regulatory vacuum. What you get is a firestorm.”"

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cozietoesie Sun 26-Feb-17 13:42:24

Yes - interesting article indeed, AndHold.

AndHoldTheBun Sun 26-Feb-17 13:48:14

Yes... mind you, by "interesting" I mean "more than slightly scary".

cozietoesie Sun 26-Feb-17 13:49:25

Well Yes. It was scary all right. I'll read it again when I have time.

DJBaggySmalls Sun 26-Feb-17 13:53:01

Has anyone seen this?
Fox News's 'Swedish defence advisor' unknown to country's military officials

borntobequiet Sun 26-Feb-17 13:53:30

I remember congratulating Claig on passing the Turing test. She was grin about it...

SenecaFalls Sun 26-Feb-17 13:55:03

It is encouraging to see that there are those in GOP who haven't sold their souls completely.

I mentioned in one of the earlier threads (where we were talking about how to handle situations involving family members) that one of my brothers is a Republican and a Trump supporter. My other brother is also a life long Republican, but he voted for Hillary.

cozietoesie Sun 26-Feb-17 13:55:56

It looks as if Murdoch is hedging his bets indeed. A canny operator.

Lweji Sun 26-Feb-17 14:00:38

I think claig was kind of a mixture. Sometimes it looked like someone really had an input on the other side, but many times it just felt like something was just filling up posts with quotes.

BTW, I have tried to actually engage with a bot and it was an interesting experience.

Try it out:

Destinysdaughter Sun 26-Feb-17 14:06:00


BestIsWest Sun 26-Feb-17 14:10:34

Claim was around as long ago as 2010 though.

BestIsWest Sun 26-Feb-17 14:11:02

Claig that should read.

Marcipex Sun 26-Feb-17 14:14:16

Thanks Lweji, I'm trying to keep up.

cozietoesie Sun 26-Feb-17 14:14:21

That account was around, Best. smile

DumbledoresApprentice Sun 26-Feb-17 14:14:27

I'm looking forward to the Donald's tweets about washed up actors, failing directors and liberal elites tomorrow.

Lweji Sun 26-Feb-17 14:15:31

It's a good thing I'm on holiday the next couple of days. I'll be able to go to bed late for the Oscars. smile Or wake up really early.

BestIsWest Sun 26-Feb-17 14:16:24

True smile

cozietoesie Sun 26-Feb-17 14:17:20

He can't talk too directly about 'failed film writers' anyway, Dumble. (Or may not be allowed to.) wink

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