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To leave a job with nothing to go to?

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Mannie1234 · 02/03/2026 22:29

In the space of six months, my job has changed to the point I just can't stand it anymore and it's really affecting my wellbeing outside of work. My manager was suddenly sacked, purely because the MD never took to him. That left them in the lurch, but as I'm the most experienced in my small team of 5, I was called into the MD's office and told the pieces would be for me to pick up. It was strongly implied that if I proved myself, promotion would be an option, but I was told by the MD "I hate people leaving on time, so I'd like to see you stay late every day (with no overtime payment)". I was given a small salary increase, but told that I wouldn't qualify for the yearly salary increase this year, so in effect not an increase just awarded slightly early for getting them out of a huge mess totally of their own making. Despite being the most experienced in the field, I'm not the longest serving in my team by any stretch, so I don't have the most senior title or salary (in fact, the MD frequently reminds me how my senior has half the workload I do). I've done so much to help them out of a mess, where they were all sweetness and smiles, to then have someone in their early 20s brought up with absolutely zero experience, who I'm expected to train to be my manager, just because they like this person. As if that isn't enough, we've also lost an extremely experienced team member who was fed up with the incompetence of the company, only to be replaced by another person with zero experience because they're liked by management, which just means the rest of us are expected to pick up the slack and carry them along. In the wider company, there's a real clique culture (particularly worse these days) and a culture of encouraging incompetence and doing the bare minimum for the majority, who can come and go as late/early as they please and do what they like, while the rest of us are watched 24/7 for the tiniest slip. I'm not the only one who is at their wits end, much less the only one to notice this double-standard in the company.

This young trainee came up with the most unbelievably arrogant attitude, they've made every work day total misery for me ever since. But management buy into it, despite already making one or two major slip ups. I'm getting completely sidelined, my work going to the trainee. To top it all off, ever since the trainee came up, I've been treated like dirt by management. And I mean personally, not just professionally - people I used to consider friends in management, these days are outright rude to me and can hardly even bring themselves to say good morning. Essentially, they hated my old manager, and as we worked as a team of just the 2 of us in our department, it feels like they want a complete clean up and I'm guilty by association. They had to keep me sweet while they had nobody else, but now they've got somebody else, it's extremely apparent that they're trying to force me out, but they don't want to make me redundant (which I almost am at this stage - and would gladly accept) or offer me any sort of package.

I've been really struggling to drag myself into work, as the environment is making me very depressed (I have struggled with depression in the past, but ultimately I find instead of reaching for pills, it's the root cause which needs to be addressed). Out of character for me, I've been arriving approx 10 mins late, which is inexcusable. However today, I was spoken to about it by HR, who accused me of routinely being 30+ mins late (an outright lie), but said "I really can't be bothered to check CCTV" (because there would be no proof of that sort of lateness). I was told it came from the MD, who I now work directly for, who I had a meeting with earlier in the day. Instead of asking if anything was the matter, it was referred straight to HR, with an exaggerated claim they have no evidence of.

I think they've won, as I just can't stand it any more. I live alone, so have nobody to support me while out of work, but I do have a 'side hustle' which pays most of my bills plus about 10 months worth of savings. I also have a second interview with another company lined up later this week. Even if I don't get that, I could get something part-time, which would give me the opportunity to try and make more of a go of my second self-employed career and build up more work. It's a vicious circle, where if I stay, it just doesn't put me in a great frame of mind to go to interviews. It's also affecting my other work, as I just feel so drained and down all the time.

There is more I haven't said, conversations and insults I've received from the MD I work for (one of which he did later apologise for). Relatives I've discussed with have said it sounds toxic, they clearly want me out, so they'd just go and concentrate on finding something else. Ideally, this is what I'd like to do, but in such a tough jobs market, would this be reckless? Or is getting out of a toxic environment the best move I could make?

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mynameiscalypso · 03/03/2026 09:50

I did this at the end of last year. I didn’t get signed off sick, partly because I wanted that clean break and a clear timetable for handing over my work to the team - while the environment was toxic, my team were nice and I knew I was planning to stay in the industry so wanted to be a ‘good’ leaver. I had lots of freelance offers once I resigned but I took a bit of a break and started a new role last week. I am married which gave me a bit of comfort but I was also pretty confident in my abilities to fine a new role given my experience and expertise so it didn’t seem like a huge risk to me.

Eatinpeachesonthebeaches · 03/03/2026 15:49

I've just done this too. It's a risk but I have substantial savings ,am married with no dependents & have just paid the mortgage off. I'm not too many years away from retirement but need another 4 to 5 years. Life is too short to be stressed out and miserable over a job.

dh280125 · 03/03/2026 18:04

See a doctor if you are depressed. Get signed off. Look for work. Don't just walk.

FlorianTV · 03/03/2026 18:57

Have y read you whole post to know the answer. Leave, hand in your notice tomorrow and explain the reasons why. (If you can afford it).

start applying for other things straight away and hopefully you’ll find something before your notice period ends.

Im a big advocate for jumping ship asap, i stayed in a toxic role for 18 months and it was detrimental to my mental health and I don’t feel like I’ve ever fully recovered. You don’t owe them anything, if you died tonight they’d have your job advertised by the end of the week. You’re nothing to them, they have become too much for you and your life. Get out asap.

WilCh · 03/03/2026 18:57

Go to the Dr immediately and tell them you’re too stressed to go to work, your mental health is suffering ,
see if they will give you a “sick note” get some time away from them they seem like a bunch of assh0les
good luck xx

Changedname9999 · 03/03/2026 19:45

Get signed off and explain to your doctor what the cause is. Make sure it is listed as work stress. Many years ago with similar circumstances but quite complicated i had my mental and physical health wrecked. I did end up with a 40k payout. And walked into my current job after that.

dementedmummy · 03/03/2026 19:45

Mannie1234 · 02/03/2026 22:29

In the space of six months, my job has changed to the point I just can't stand it anymore and it's really affecting my wellbeing outside of work. My manager was suddenly sacked, purely because the MD never took to him. That left them in the lurch, but as I'm the most experienced in my small team of 5, I was called into the MD's office and told the pieces would be for me to pick up. It was strongly implied that if I proved myself, promotion would be an option, but I was told by the MD "I hate people leaving on time, so I'd like to see you stay late every day (with no overtime payment)". I was given a small salary increase, but told that I wouldn't qualify for the yearly salary increase this year, so in effect not an increase just awarded slightly early for getting them out of a huge mess totally of their own making. Despite being the most experienced in the field, I'm not the longest serving in my team by any stretch, so I don't have the most senior title or salary (in fact, the MD frequently reminds me how my senior has half the workload I do). I've done so much to help them out of a mess, where they were all sweetness and smiles, to then have someone in their early 20s brought up with absolutely zero experience, who I'm expected to train to be my manager, just because they like this person. As if that isn't enough, we've also lost an extremely experienced team member who was fed up with the incompetence of the company, only to be replaced by another person with zero experience because they're liked by management, which just means the rest of us are expected to pick up the slack and carry them along. In the wider company, there's a real clique culture (particularly worse these days) and a culture of encouraging incompetence and doing the bare minimum for the majority, who can come and go as late/early as they please and do what they like, while the rest of us are watched 24/7 for the tiniest slip. I'm not the only one who is at their wits end, much less the only one to notice this double-standard in the company.

This young trainee came up with the most unbelievably arrogant attitude, they've made every work day total misery for me ever since. But management buy into it, despite already making one or two major slip ups. I'm getting completely sidelined, my work going to the trainee. To top it all off, ever since the trainee came up, I've been treated like dirt by management. And I mean personally, not just professionally - people I used to consider friends in management, these days are outright rude to me and can hardly even bring themselves to say good morning. Essentially, they hated my old manager, and as we worked as a team of just the 2 of us in our department, it feels like they want a complete clean up and I'm guilty by association. They had to keep me sweet while they had nobody else, but now they've got somebody else, it's extremely apparent that they're trying to force me out, but they don't want to make me redundant (which I almost am at this stage - and would gladly accept) or offer me any sort of package.

I've been really struggling to drag myself into work, as the environment is making me very depressed (I have struggled with depression in the past, but ultimately I find instead of reaching for pills, it's the root cause which needs to be addressed). Out of character for me, I've been arriving approx 10 mins late, which is inexcusable. However today, I was spoken to about it by HR, who accused me of routinely being 30+ mins late (an outright lie), but said "I really can't be bothered to check CCTV" (because there would be no proof of that sort of lateness). I was told it came from the MD, who I now work directly for, who I had a meeting with earlier in the day. Instead of asking if anything was the matter, it was referred straight to HR, with an exaggerated claim they have no evidence of.

I think they've won, as I just can't stand it any more. I live alone, so have nobody to support me while out of work, but I do have a 'side hustle' which pays most of my bills plus about 10 months worth of savings. I also have a second interview with another company lined up later this week. Even if I don't get that, I could get something part-time, which would give me the opportunity to try and make more of a go of my second self-employed career and build up more work. It's a vicious circle, where if I stay, it just doesn't put me in a great frame of mind to go to interviews. It's also affecting my other work, as I just feel so drained and down all the time.

There is more I haven't said, conversations and insults I've received from the MD I work for (one of which he did later apologise for). Relatives I've discussed with have said it sounds toxic, they clearly want me out, so they'd just go and concentrate on finding something else. Ideally, this is what I'd like to do, but in such a tough jobs market, would this be reckless? Or is getting out of a toxic environment the best move I could make?

I think if I were you I would start compiling a time line of everything that has went on. I would then put a call into ACAS and get advice around constructive dismissal. Thereafter I would go after the other job and when you get it, put in your resignation letter that you didn't consider me good enough to get former managers job so why on earth would you expect to train his/her replacement and for no additional salary and a load of extra duties that are not included in my salary. I would then take a constructive dismissal claim out against them. Don't let them force you out and affect your finances until you are ready to go yourself. Good luck OP

Isobel201 · 03/03/2026 20:07

Can you expand your side hustle? I think quitting is a good idea in your position. Others are saying go off sick, but I think its just dragging it out unnecessarily.

roshi42 · 04/03/2026 05:46

Don’t make it so easy for them! Force them to get rid of you - ideally with a pay off. ‘Quiet quit’ instead - stop putting any effort in - stop carrying the useless ones!! Match their incompetence and energy. Save your efforts for your side hustle and job hunting. And self care. You don’t owe them anything. Frankly make it harder for them!

CleanSkin · 04/03/2026 17:15

How are you doing today, @Mannie1234?
Have you made any decisions?
(it’s ok if you haven’t yet!)

tinyspiny · 04/03/2026 17:21

I’d go off sick from now and look for another job , don’t go back at all .

Partypants83 · 04/03/2026 19:56

Leave. You get one life.

NNforthispost · 04/03/2026 20:09

Mannie1234 · 02/03/2026 23:08

I think I could, as my doctor knows I struggle on and off with depression. This has genuinely depressed me to the point it’s taking its toll on my physical health and personal relationships, so it would probably be the best course of action. But speaking about it with my dad, he said that might make it harder getting a new job if I sign off sick due to depression. I’m not sure if that’s true or not though. I agree in an ideal world, I don’t want to readily give them my resignation which they so clearly want.

Not depression- if you’re to go one sick make sure it’s specifically work related stress.

In your position with a good side hustle I’d risk it. But I’d get the sick time in first. They’ll need to pick up the pieces and they can’t contact you whilst you’re off for this. See how they manage to cope without you. They sound awfully toxic.

TalulahJP · 04/03/2026 20:28

go off sick on a doctors line for work related stress.
speak to acas. you could go for constructive dismissal and get a large payout. but only thwy can tell you if it’s likely.

the other thing about going off sick is that youll leave those bastards in the lurch. good enough for them. they reap what they sow.

Bumply · 04/03/2026 20:59

My previous job became toxic after I’d been there for 19 years and had every intention of staying until retirement.

I ended up taking a couple of weeks signed off sick which was long enough just to get my head straight in terms of making the decision to move on.

i managed to stay at work while I looked for another job, which took a while as my skills had become very tied into the bespoke work I was doing - writing a cv for the first time in 19 years was no mean feat.

I did try to have a stash of savings in case things got so bad I felt the need to leave before I’d found new work, but thankfully it wasn’t needed.

Ive been in my new job over 5 years now, and have no regrets (other than wishing I’d made the decision to jump before my kids had to see me so low with depression)

Good luck with whichever direction you choose to take. Just make sure it’s away from your current toxic environment

PublicHare · 05/03/2026 00:11

I left a job I'd hated for several years, bullying, backstabbing, tampering with work, overloaded with work, being set up to fail, politics. A couple of years in had a month off with feeling overwhelmed and burnout out during which time I was sent messages telling me that the work was building up as no-one was covering my role. I went back and lasted another year or so, until one day as I was coming home I just felt so completely despondent and broke down absolutely sobbing as soon as I got inside. I spoke to my husband about how I was feeling and resigned the next day. I foolishly worked my notice, mostly because I worried I'd be blamed for things or talked badly about.

I had made it to interviews whilst I was in my horrible job and got to the final 2/3, but wasn't successful, partly because they wanted someone to start immediately but I wonder if they could smell the desperation!

That was about 6 months ago, sadly whilst I was working my notice, a parent was diagnosed with a terminal illness, so instead of finding another job, I've been supporting them and my other parent and making the most of the time we have.

Things are tricky financially as we really do need for me to be working, so any pointers on a side hustle would be greatly appreciated.

If I had my time again, I'd go off sick with work related stress for as long as possible, use up pro-rata annual leave, then resign and go off sick for the notice period.

You deserve to be happy, wishing you all the best whatever you decide to do.

Speckly · 05/03/2026 06:18

Mannie1234 · 02/03/2026 23:08

I think I could, as my doctor knows I struggle on and off with depression. This has genuinely depressed me to the point it’s taking its toll on my physical health and personal relationships, so it would probably be the best course of action. But speaking about it with my dad, he said that might make it harder getting a new job if I sign off sick due to depression. I’m not sure if that’s true or not though. I agree in an ideal world, I don’t want to readily give them my resignation which they so clearly want.

So ask the doctor to sign you off with work related stress.

Ilady · 06/03/2026 14:56

I know how you feel as I was in a similar position to you years ago.

I looked into my work contract and found out I would get full pay for a period of time being out sick. I decided to ring in sick the last week of the month. This left my boss to sort out a big month end mess. I got a note from my doctor to say I was out sick with stress. I was at home, slept and ate well. After 2 weeks even one of my friends said you look better and your in better form.
I then ended up in hospital due to a physical health issue and towards the end of my recovery I went looking for a new job. I got a new job that paid better.

I was in contact with my union rep about all of this and went with him to the heard of hr who he had arranged a meeting with. I then told the head of HR all about my boss and her behaviour and as a result of this I was handing in my notice. My union rep also filled him on on her behaviour as well. I went then to my former department with him and collected a few personal things. I told my colleagues that I had got a better job and I had a good chat with HR about our beloved boss.
She was away with the big boss at a meeting. I knew she was going to be in serious trouble and not get a pay rise or bonus after what I said about her.
A few years later this business closed down and at the same time other similar businesses in the same industry were letting staff go big time.

Today I am in a part time job and I plan to leave it soon for more hours and better pay.

I would tell people not to stay in a toxic job or a job with a toxic boss but to use sick leave with stress to give you a break. Take 2 weeks to get plenty of sleep, eat well and take vitamins. Then start to look for another job when out sick. I know what it's like to feel both physically and mentally exhausted and being honest life is to short to stay in this position long term.

I also watched another lady I know handsome in her notice and leave a company before having another job lined up. She was asked why she left her last job at every interview and she did not want to slate her boss then. I also think it easier to get a job when you're in another job.

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