Surely he can't get away with this....

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 2025-12-03T13:17:21+00:00

DPs department is the only department to not receive a pay rise. They were due to have one as it was a whole company increase but it didn't happen..... And now DPs dept manager has said the big boss told him that it won't be this year and that he doesn't give a fuck (the big boss). Like... What the actual fuck???? I bet he got a lovely pay increase and bonus though. Without this department they wouldn't have the parts to make what they make. They are assembly operatives. DP is reluctant to go to HR as he doesn't want to get his boss into trouble. I said that it's absolutely not ok for the CF to say that and he is within his rights to complain/contact their Union. I'm not the right person to fuck off at the moment as I'm quite temperamental and I think, he can't get away with this surely? 🤷🏼♂️ Advice gratefully received.

Donttellempike · 03/12/2025 13:21

Look for another job? Making a fuss will put a target on his back won’t it?

molifly · 03/12/2025 13:22

You could contact a union but nobody is entitled to an annual pay rise other than those on the minimum wage.

tanstaafl · 03/12/2025 13:23

The big boss probably added more information as to the reason( missed targets) but the middle boss has omitted to mention them, perhaps because they’re in some way responsible?

OhDear111 · 03/12/2025 13:25

Companies have company wide pay policies and increases. Is this a wind up? Of course the employees should query this!

Franklyannoyed · 03/12/2025 13:28

I don’t understand how are you involved to the extent the manager can’t fuck uou off? Do you work there? If not this is up to your partner to manage surely?

topcat2014 · 03/12/2025 13:32

I would seek clarification that this is an actual decision of the company and not a payroll error. Maybe payroll forgot to update the salaries for an entire department

Franklyannoyed · 03/12/2025 13:34

topcat2014 · 03/12/2025 13:32

I would seek clarification that this is an actual decision of the company and not a payroll error. Maybe payroll forgot to update the salaries for an entire department

Would you really? I find that mind boggling that you and the op would get so heavily involved with your partners employer.

OhDear111 · 03/12/2025 13:43

Targets usually drive bonus distribution and not annual pay rise. Individual performance should be assessed and workers should not be punished due to incompetent management. They need to understand the company pay policy and what they do regarding annual rises and bonuses as well as personal appraisal regarding targets.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 03/12/2025 13:48

I would certainly want to understand why their department was omitted and advise him to kick up a fuss. They should also think about going on strike if they are not listened to. If you don't get an inflationary pay rise it's a pay cut as your money will not go as far next year.

topcat2014 · 03/12/2025 14:04

Franklyannoyed · 03/12/2025 13:34

Would you really? I find that mind boggling that you and the op would get so heavily involved with your partners employer.

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I'm speaking as if I was the employee. I assumed that was a given.

OhDear111 · 03/12/2025 14:10

@DeftGoldHedgehog Millions of people don’t get pay rises in line with inflation ! You cannot hold an employer to that but if a pay review is carried out every year and others are getting a rise, it’s unfair to withhold it from a few. A bonus or productivity bonus is completely different. So is it this that they are not receiving?

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 15:57

Franklyannoyed · 03/12/2025 13:28

I don’t understand how are you involved to the extent the manager can’t fuck uou off? Do you work there? If not this is up to your partner to manage surely?

We're partners. A team with children.
It's in both our interests.

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 16:00

Sorry to drip feed....

I know someone who works in buying and she's astonished that this department haven't had their increase seeing as everyone else has.

Sorry I've not had a chance to read all the comments yet but I will do soon.
School run imminent.

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ThatGladTiger · 03/12/2025 16:02

DeftGoldHedgehog · 03/12/2025 13:48

I would certainly want to understand why their department was omitted and advise him to kick up a fuss. They should also think about going on strike if they are not listened to. If you don't get an inflationary pay rise it's a pay cut as your money will not go as far next year.

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You can seek clarification without kicking up a fuss.

Have you seen inflation levels? No one is getting inflationary level payrises. Employers are getting taxed more which is having a knock on effect.

It’s a business not a charity. Your partner is not being forced to work there. Harsh but that’s the truth.

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 16:05

OhDear111 · 03/12/2025 14:10

@DeftGoldHedgehog Millions of people don’t get pay rises in line with inflation ! You cannot hold an employer to that but if a pay review is carried out every year and others are getting a rise, it’s unfair to withhold it from a few. A bonus or productivity bonus is completely different. So is it this that they are not receiving?

100%, the whole company were told they would receive a pay increase.

When DP department didn't get it, DP said to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it to us in a Xmas bonus instead of an actual increase like it was told originally.

The department haven't missed any deadlines and work very hard but yet big boss decides they're not worthy.

They are the least looked after yet they put together all the bits for the main product 🤷🏼‍♂️

Idgi

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 16:06

ThatGladTiger · 03/12/2025 16:02

You can seek clarification without kicking up a fuss.

Have you seen inflation levels? No one is getting inflationary level payrises. Employers are getting taxed more which is having a knock on effect.

It’s a business not a charity. Your partner is not being forced to work there. Harsh but that’s the truth.

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True.

It shouldn't have been told to the whole company that everyone was getting a pay increase if they weren't going to stick to their word.

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ThatGladTiger · 03/12/2025 16:41

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 16:06

True.

It shouldn't have been told to the whole company that everyone was getting a pay increase if they weren't going to stick to their word.

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Yes it’s the communication that’s the issue here! I’d feel annoyed if I was told I was getting something then not. Especially if everyone else is.

No harm in asking again for clarification! Maybe ask in an email so his line manager has to actually do something. I guarantee the official response won’t be the same as the verbal one!

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 16:51

ThatGladTiger · 03/12/2025 16:41

Yes it’s the communication that’s the issue here! I’d feel annoyed if I was told I was getting something then not. Especially if everyone else is.

No harm in asking again for clarification! Maybe ask in an email so his line manager has to actually do something. I guarantee the official response won’t be the same as the verbal one!

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You'd hope not wouldn't you.....
Sadly some people really don't give a shit but it definitely needs addressing and in writing

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OhDear111 · 03/12/2025 17:04

@MusicMakesItAllBetter They need to join together to complain. Is it a unionized workplace? It’s an unfair policy if it contravenes the Equality Act 2010 for example. You should read the ACAS web site which gives a lot of detail about pay rises that are contractural and custom and practice. Then they can make an informed complaint and I might see an employment solicitor too. A contract does not have to be written down. So a verbal agreement to pay might be a contract. I’d ask a legal expert though or ask ACAS.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 03/12/2025 17:08

It sounds like a company restructure might be on the horizon. I speak from experience. I hope I'm interpreting incorrectly, though.

Franklyannoyed · 03/12/2025 17:11

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 15:57

We're partners. A team with children.
It's in both our interests.

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But you’re not partners in his employment, it maybe in your interests he gets a raise, sure, but you cannot interfere here. You may cost him his job, especially if you’re speaking to other employees about it.

Harassedevictee · 03/12/2025 18:57

@MusicMakesItAllBetter as a pp said asking the question in the right way is not unreasonable.

I would start with a TU rep and just simply asking why has DOs department not been given the pay award. If there is no HR then either ask in person or phone them and ask. Trust me a verbal conversation is best.

OhDear111 · 03/12/2025 20:54

@FranklyannoyedOne assumes his colleagues aren’t the Stasi! Placed there by the boss to report back. Talking is usual. Go out for a drink and have a chat! Perfectly reasonable before Christmas. They should be looking at a strategy and pooling knowledge anyway and maybe pooling money for legal Opinion.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 04/12/2025 11:32

ThatGladTiger · 03/12/2025 16:02

You can seek clarification without kicking up a fuss.

Have you seen inflation levels? No one is getting inflationary level payrises. Employers are getting taxed more which is having a knock on effect.

It’s a business not a charity. Your partner is not being forced to work there. Harsh but that’s the truth.

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If a business isn't doing well then of course pay rises would be difficult. But if they are doing pretty well and offering rises across the board then the OP's husband is right to feel aggrieved. If a business continues to make a profit then staff should be getting at least inflation level rises.

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 12:34

Franklyannoyed · 03/12/2025 17:11

But you’re not partners in his employment, it maybe in your interests he gets a raise, sure, but you cannot interfere here. You may cost him his job, especially if you’re speaking to other employees about it.

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I'm unsure exactly how I'm interfering.

My friend works for the same company and she knows the whole company were receiving a pay increase.
This person has known my family for over a decade.
I'm not involving her. I told her to see what she had to say about it. She responded and I said thank you.
My DP won't mention her to anyone.

My DP and I live together as if we are married. Our individual finances are of interest to the both of us, no different to married people having a joint pot and knowing what each other earn.

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