Surely he can't get away with this....

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DPs department is the only department to not receive a pay rise.
They were due to have one as it was a whole company increase but it didn't happen..... And now DPs dept manager has said the big boss told him that it won't be this year and that he doesn't give a fuck (the big boss).

Like... What the actual fuck????
I bet he got a lovely pay increase and bonus though.

Without this department they wouldn't have the parts to make what they make.
They are assembly operatives.

DP is reluctant to go to HR as he doesn't want to get his boss into trouble. I said that it's absolutely not ok for the CF to say that and he is within his rights to complain/contact their Union.

I'm not the right person to fuck off at the moment as I'm quite temperamental and I think, he can't get away with this surely? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Advice gratefully received.

I don't remember them having a review last year..... HR and management are tight..... Idk what he's going to do/say.
He's off sick atm, this is his first time sick since he started in April 2024

Perfect 👌🏼😁

Not sure I understand, sorry.

I'm not usually a rageful person.
In fact I'm the direct opposite but unfortunately my hormones can get the better of me and when there's other stuff going on I think I can be forgiven for being momentarily angry about this

There will be a reason, likely to do with performance, DP or his department, weren't awarded a payrise this year. For some reason either that hasn't been explained to him or he doesn't want to explain it to you.

It hasn't been told to him or the rest of the operatives. That's the problem.
They don't know why the boss has decided to go back on his word.

He would tell me if it was something other because we're close.

No kicking up a fuss and going on strike is completely OTT. He should seek advice from ACAS but it’s best to keep calm and find out the facts first

He (or the union if there is one) should simply ask in writing when they will be receiving the payrise they were told about and ask for a response in writing and CC HR and the top bosses. But be warned he could lose his job over even mentioning it.

Oh ffs. 🤦‍♀️. It’s not up to you to tell your partner what to do.

even if you were married, it’s not your business

Oh ffs. 🤦‍♀️. It’s not up to you to tell your partner what to do.

even if you were married, it’s not your business

Maybe that's how your relationships are done but as I've said before, we're a team with two kiddies and we talk to each other about everything

If they are not listened to...

We’ve been married a very long time and we are indeed a team. But we’re also 2 individual capable adults who would not interfere in each others careers.

you sound quite hard work

Few things to consider here:
Has the company been meeting its targets?
What does the P&L look like overall?
Is his department profit generating ?

Pay rises are heavily influenced by these factors. If the answer to any of the above is “no,” then it’s not particularly surprising that pay increases aren’t being given. In private companies, compensation adjustments are ultimately discretionary, and when performance or profitability is under pressure, pay rises are often the first thing to be paused.

This is exactly what unions are for!

I can be hard work yes.
But I'm also a delight and mostly a happy, positive person.
Is it worth it in DPs case? Yes.

Unfortunately we live paycheck to paycheck and live in temporary accommodation so we don't even rent a home. We are classed as at risk of homeless and we share everything with each other although I'm sure he'd be happy for me to not share the annoying songs that get stuck in your brain with him but he actually loves me for that too.

I really don't see why a partner of 16 years knowing about the other ones work shit is a big deal. When I worked full time I was fully transparent with my wages as I have been now I've just gone back to work.

Knowing about his pay issues? Absolutely fine. Him talking to you about it and you giving your opinion? Fine tooZ

getting involved though is different. You mentioned “I'm not the right person to fuck off at the moment as I'm quite temperamental”. That’s the bit that’s worrying. What happens if you’re fucked off? Are you planning to take your temper to his boss?

also, well done on getting your own job!

It’s not about knowing, most couples know. It’s your wording like you’re the wrong person to fuck off which reads like you think you are the person to do something about this. You are not.

Well of course I'm not going to take it to his boss. I'm not stupid.
If you read my posts, I've explained that I was very hormonal and stressed out with other life stuff when I originally posted (to vent my frustration about the situation).

I get that it implied that I would take matters into my own hands and I'm sorry to have misguided the MN community with that comment.
I was angry and hormonal.

🙌🏼

Yes I realise that I came across like that when in fact I was angry, hormonal and stressed and was venting

Whether or not they are punishing the department for past mistakes, is this company also moving production to India? Maybe they just don't care about whether UK employees are annoyed and choose to leave? In fact that may be their design, cheaper than making them redundant further down the line.

Did you say he’s only been there since April 2024? Could that be a factor? You mention his first time off sick in 18 months as though it is an achievement? I think current employment rights don’t start until 2 years is he really in a position to rock the boat right now?

I do understand why you are involved and pissed off, but be careful of loading the bullets for your DP to fire.

@BessieSurtees Pay rises might require 6 months qualifying period but not 2 years. 2 years refers to employment rights in terms of being let go as not suitable for the job. However all of this should be in an employment handbook and surely the whole section aren’t new employees. I think it’s fairly good not to be off sick at all in 18 months. Many in the nhs don’t manage anything like this.

Unless the lack of payrise takes him below min wage, there is no recourse in law.

His union could negotiate or take action up to and including strike action, but if only one department is affected you might struggle to get a union mandate for industrial action.

@OhDear111I thought maybe he had to serve a probation period or similar and maybe others had a pay rise and he didn’t know. Mainly the 2 years was in regard to not encouraging him to rock the boat just yet, particularly if off sick.
The NHS is a different beast.

Well they could make it 2 years to qualify for a pay rise but how does that square with all the other departments getting a pay rise and they must have employees with under 2 years service? A full 6 months of working prior to a pay rise is normal. It’s quite difficult to work out why one department has been singled out unless pay rises are purely by results. However in manufacturing, this would be unusual. The employees really should seek an explanation and look at their contracts and handbook.