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Surely he can't get away with this....

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 13:17

DPs department is the only department to not receive a pay rise.
They were due to have one as it was a whole company increase but it didn't happen..... And now DPs dept manager has said the big boss told him that it won't be this year and that he doesn't give a fuck (the big boss).

Like... What the actual fuck????
I bet he got a lovely pay increase and bonus though.

Without this department they wouldn't have the parts to make what they make.
They are assembly operatives.

DP is reluctant to go to HR as he doesn't want to get his boss into trouble. I said that it's absolutely not ok for the CF to say that and he is within his rights to complain/contact their Union.

I'm not the right person to fuck off at the moment as I'm quite temperamental and I think, he can't get away with this surely? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Advice gratefully received.

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 12:39

DeftGoldHedgehog · 04/12/2025 11:32

If a business isn't doing well then of course pay rises would be difficult. But if they are doing pretty well and offering rises across the board then the OP's husband is right to feel aggrieved. If a business continues to make a profit then staff should be getting at least inflation level rises.

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They make ejector seats for fighter jets.
His department put together the intricate bits for the making of the seat.
Business doesn't do badly.

I asked DP if his line manager could have been saying that the big boss doesn't gaf and he said that every time hes been to the big boss to ask about when the pay increase is coming for his staff, the boss man said he doesn't gaf if the employees are asking about it.

HR are apparently tight with management (as per a lot of companies) so going to them probably isn't going to get anywhere.

I'm going to suggest that DP and other colleagues get together to complain to the union or acas(?)....

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DeftGoldHedgehog · 04/12/2025 13:01

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 12:39

They make ejector seats for fighter jets.
His department put together the intricate bits for the making of the seat.
Business doesn't do badly.

I asked DP if his line manager could have been saying that the big boss doesn't gaf and he said that every time hes been to the big boss to ask about when the pay increase is coming for his staff, the boss man said he doesn't gaf if the employees are asking about it.

HR are apparently tight with management (as per a lot of companies) so going to them probably isn't going to get anywhere.

I'm going to suggest that DP and other colleagues get together to complain to the union or acas(?)....

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Sounds like a plan.

rwalker · 04/12/2025 13:07

As disappointing as it is you need to back off you giving him grief about it isn’t going to help him

union is the way forward with this

Brefugee · 04/12/2025 13:17

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 13:17

DPs department is the only department to not receive a pay rise.
They were due to have one as it was a whole company increase but it didn't happen..... And now DPs dept manager has said the big boss told him that it won't be this year and that he doesn't give a fuck (the big boss).

Like... What the actual fuck????
I bet he got a lovely pay increase and bonus though.

Without this department they wouldn't have the parts to make what they make.
They are assembly operatives.

DP is reluctant to go to HR as he doesn't want to get his boss into trouble. I said that it's absolutely not ok for the CF to say that and he is within his rights to complain/contact their Union.

I'm not the right person to fuck off at the moment as I'm quite temperamental and I think, he can't get away with this surely? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Advice gratefully received.

going to assume not in a union (join one, it won't help for this but will help in future)

There isn't really much you can do, i think? contact an employment lawyer, and look for a new job.

Bookpage · 04/12/2025 13:22

In situations like this I often wonder if you've heard the full story. Especially when, as you say "I'm not the right person to fuck off at the moment".

I was the boss who allocated these payrises and it's tough because you have to disappoint, but when people got nothing, there was a reason. Is it possible DP doesn't want to tell you that?

pottylolly · 04/12/2025 13:26

If it’s the company I think it is, it’s probably because your husband’s department (overall) made a major regulatory error last year. Has it been communicated at all?

Bookpage · 04/12/2025 13:27

pottylolly · 04/12/2025 13:26

If it’s the company I think it is, it’s probably because your husband’s department (overall) made a major regulatory error last year. Has it been communicated at all?

There will definitely be something like that going on.

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 15:37

Bookpage · 04/12/2025 13:22

In situations like this I often wonder if you've heard the full story. Especially when, as you say "I'm not the right person to fuck off at the moment".

I was the boss who allocated these payrises and it's tough because you have to disappoint, but when people got nothing, there was a reason. Is it possible DP doesn't want to tell you that?

Damn hormones. I was raging with life, my thumbs went too fast for my brain to think about what I was actually saying 🫣

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Bookpage · 04/12/2025 15:41

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 15:37

Damn hormones. I was raging with life, my thumbs went too fast for my brain to think about what I was actually saying 🫣

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So there was a reason?

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 18:04

Bookpage · 04/12/2025 15:41

So there was a reason?

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For what I said? About not being the right person to fuck off....

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Bookpage · 04/12/2025 19:15

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 18:04

For what I said? About not being the right person to fuck off....

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For DP's lack of payrise?

Donttellempike · 04/12/2025 19:20

ACAS or a union can do nothing about this. I used to be an employment lawyer. Maybe your husband should join a union going forward?

There is no legal entitlement to a pay rise. The end

RandomUserName96 · 04/12/2025 19:27

Is he part of the union?

The union will have been involved in negotiating the pay rise, what have they said?

Snakebite61 · 04/12/2025 19:29

Donttellempike · 03/12/2025 13:21

Look for another job? Making a fuss will put a target on his back won’t it?

Yeah, it's dead easy to just go and get another job these days 🙄

Donttellempike · 04/12/2025 19:33

Snakebite61 · 04/12/2025 19:29

Yeah, it's dead easy to just go and get another job these days 🙄

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Easier than stamping your feet for a pay rise you have no entitlement to 👍

CoralOP · 04/12/2025 20:04

I have worked in a few places where some areas got payrises, some didn't, some got bonuses, some didn't.

The company will be aware that this causes resentment in those areas so they will of already considered the consequences of people being so annoyed they leave.
I assume they have guessed only a small percentage will seriously consider leaving and they are happy to risk that to cut these costs.
Working in HR for years I see all the business decisions behind these things. Morally incorrect but happens everyday in business.

Oldwmn · 04/12/2025 20:31

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 03/12/2025 15:57

We're partners. A team with children.
It's in both our interests.

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This is an unusual concept for many MN people.

Blablibladirladada · 05/12/2025 05:58

if there is a written letter with the announcement but if only words…then again if the company can justify why the “not”…

in other words, yes they can. No don’t say something. Everybody is annoyed enough…

jetlag92 · 05/12/2025 07:59

I would get your cousin, (who sold his farm for a camper van) to kidnap the bid boss, wrap him up like a Christmas present and deliver him to your house on Christmas Day.
Then when armed police show up to rescue him, his wife can tell him that he's behaved inexcusably and he will relent - apologising and issuing the pay rise.

ClearFruit · 05/12/2025 08:28

OP you sound like you're far too heavily involved in your DPs employment affairs. Back off, and let this grown adult manage his own career.

Franklyannoyed · 05/12/2025 08:37

ClearFruit · 05/12/2025 08:28

OP you sound like you're far too heavily involved in your DPs employment affairs. Back off, and let this grown adult manage his own career.

This is my view, it makes me wonder if the op is unemployed and treating his employment like hers.

40YearOldDad · 05/12/2025 09:00

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/12/2025 12:39

They make ejector seats for fighter jets.
His department put together the intricate bits for the making of the seat.
Business doesn't do badly.

I asked DP if his line manager could have been saying that the big boss doesn't gaf and he said that every time hes been to the big boss to ask about when the pay increase is coming for his staff, the boss man said he doesn't gaf if the employees are asking about it.

HR are apparently tight with management (as per a lot of companies) so going to them probably isn't going to get anywhere.

I'm going to suggest that DP and other colleagues get together to complain to the union or acas(?)....

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If it's the company, I think it is, they have annual salary reviews, and if no pay rise is coming, it would be discussed as part of their review.

Personally, I'd speak to HR -

OhDear111 · 05/12/2025 09:04

@Franklyannoyed Money earned matters though! I always shared pay rise info with dh and he was self employed. I definitely wanted to know how that was going! You cannot plan your lives with uncertainty.

Franklyannoyed · 05/12/2025 09:20

OhDear111 · 05/12/2025 09:04

@Franklyannoyed Money earned matters though! I always shared pay rise info with dh and he was self employed. I definitely wanted to know how that was going! You cannot plan your lives with uncertainty.

who said it didn’t? Are you quoting the wrong person?

Bookpage · 05/12/2025 09:35

As PPs have said this sounds like a big company with a defined pay policy. If DP or his department haven't received a payrise this year, there will be something about their performance that has led to that. PP suggested she knew the company and there was a major regulatory error in the department last year, so in that case I wouldn't expect the dept to get payrises.

I think the company has probably announced there was x% for payrises, which has led some staff to believe everyone would get that, but with performance related pay, it won't be spread evenly across the company.

And, with OP's temper the way it is, DP has found it easier to blame the company than his misunderstanding.