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Son off sick 3 times in 12 months (6 days total) now has disciplinary meeting.

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Charlysunnysky · 26/02/2025 15:40

My son is 23 and has additional needs - he stammers severely.
He has worked for 3.5 years at a budget supermarket chain as an online picker.
He is contracted to 7.5 hrs which is the standard, but they only use him for 8-12 hrs so he’s been looking for a new job as it’s min wage and not much to get by on, though he lives at home. He’s been trying to get another job for a few months now, as they’re only using him for 8 -12 hrs each week. But he’s struggling, because nobody will take him on after the interview, as his stammer is quite obstructive during interview.
He got a letter this morning - a new manager started on Monday -she may have been reviewing this and come across it or may have been tipped of by the outgoing manager.
He’s hit the triggers for disciplinary with 3 occasions of sickness absence over a rolling 12 months, even though they total only 6 days. But he doesn’t recall a proper back to work meeting on each occasion, just a foot in the manager’s office confirming he’s okay to return. He’s not aware of any minutes being taken, and no warning he was close to trigger points.

I’ve offered to attend with him but he’s not sure if it looks terrible, taking his mum. I think it might make them tread more carefully, knowing he has a witness, but again, I don't want colleagues seeing him go in with his mum either. I don’t know if there’s other performance-related stuff but surely they would mention those in the letter so he can prepare?
What do you think?

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theemmadilemma · 28/02/2025 14:45

I would be called that under most policies.

It's a trigger point to bring attention to a possible issue. If there is no issue and it all appears to have been genuine, unexpected and unlikely to continue then there is likely to be no further action.

Otherwise there may be support, or alternatively depending on the scenario, actual disciplinary action.

worldwidetravel2017 · 28/02/2025 15:37

buffyfaithspike · 28/02/2025 14:41

Looks fairly standard, it's called misconduct/disciplinary where I work too

Has he ever recieved a written warning re attendence b4

worldwidetravel2017 · 28/02/2025 15:37

How did it go - i saw the meeting was today

AgnesX · 28/02/2025 15:45

feistyoneyouare · 26/02/2025 16:37

Unfortunately frequent illness is not always a simple matter of someone being 'run down'. If that's really what you think, I suggest you educate yourself on chronic illness.

If someone has a chronic health problem then surely a conversation with their employer/HR/OT/NHS should be in the works. Any half decent organisation will have a policy in place.

Most sick policies are aimed at the majority and make no mistake, they're there for the benefit of the organisation.

worldwidetravel2017 · 28/02/2025 15:53

( i have a ' chronic health condition ' which is one of the many reasons im in a union. Occy health and my union rep are also there 4 involvement )

Charlysunnysky · 28/02/2025 16:02

worldwidetravel2017 · 28/02/2025 15:37

Has he ever recieved a written warning re attendence b4

@buffyfaithspike No, nothing before.

@worldwidetravel2017 Thanks for asking - I was just coming on here to update as he messaged me earlier.

It didn't take place in the end. He's an early morning picker (5am - 9/10am) and he asked the team leader if it might be possible to bring the time forward to right after his shift as he's be hanging around an hour after work. And the manager came back and said it has all been dealt with as far as they're concerned at the investigation 2 weeks ago (which took place at his return to work meeting after the 3rd sickness). So no hearing after all.

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worldwidetravel2017 · 28/02/2025 16:09

Charlysunnysky · 28/02/2025 16:02

@buffyfaithspike No, nothing before.

@worldwidetravel2017 Thanks for asking - I was just coming on here to update as he messaged me earlier.

It didn't take place in the end. He's an early morning picker (5am - 9/10am) and he asked the team leader if it might be possible to bring the time forward to right after his shift as he's be hanging around an hour after work. And the manager came back and said it has all been dealt with as far as they're concerned at the investigation 2 weeks ago (which took place at his return to work meeting after the 3rd sickness). So no hearing after all.

Ace

Do suggest he joins a union ~ they are worth their weight in gold

Newbie8918 · 28/02/2025 16:11

Fitzcarraldo353 · 26/02/2025 15:55

To my dying day I'll never understand how being sick can trigger a disciplinary process. Total madness. If you're sick, you're sick. If prolonged illness is na issue, there are mechanisms to address that. If you think someone is lying, you can address that. But being off sick more than x days being a disciplinary process makes no fucking sense at all..

Sorry OP. Not helpful. Just baffles me.

Is not a 'disciplinary' process, it's a 'capability' process triggered by the companies internal policies. Eg is someone 'capable' of doing the role required with the correct level of attendance (usually 95%).

OP, is also not all bad. If he needs additional support or an adjusted attendance target, this can be discussed and set as part of the outcome of this meeting too.

Velmy · 28/02/2025 20:41

Newbie8918 · 28/02/2025 16:11

Is not a 'disciplinary' process, it's a 'capability' process triggered by the companies internal policies. Eg is someone 'capable' of doing the role required with the correct level of attendance (usually 95%).

OP, is also not all bad. If he needs additional support or an adjusted attendance target, this can be discussed and set as part of the outcome of this meeting too.

OP posted the letter where it specifically states it's a disciplinary.

feistyoneyouare · 02/03/2025 10:17

AgnesX · 28/02/2025 15:45

If someone has a chronic health problem then surely a conversation with their employer/HR/OT/NHS should be in the works. Any half decent organisation will have a policy in place.

Most sick policies are aimed at the majority and make no mistake, they're there for the benefit of the organisation.

As I said upthread, it's not always a good idea to disclose a long-term condition. Some organisations will look for any excuse to manage an employee out if they know about something like this.

Gettingbysomehow · 02/03/2025 10:23

Cattreesea · 27/02/2025 08:29

@Fitzcarraldo353
'To my dying day I'll never understand how being sick can trigger a disciplinary process. Total madness. If you're sick, you're sick. If prolonged illness is na issue, there are mechanisms to address that. If you think someone is lying, you can address that. But being off sick more than x days being a disciplinary process makes no fucking sense at all..
Sorry OP. Not helpful. Just baffles me'

I completely agree.

It is completely nonsensical...and I am also always shocked that so many people on these threads try to defend the practice.

I'm 63 and have worked in ghe NHS my whole life as a nurse. I'm old enough to remember when there was pretty mch unlimited sickness. People took the piss left, right and centre.
Certain people would take their working weekends off sick, go off for 6 months with stress or just I'd they didn't feel like coming in. The timetable was totally unmanageable.
This is why this harsh system was introduced.....solely because of piss takers. You can blame them.

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