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BeckiF · 04/01/2005 12:20

Maybe W & R can help me here. I am a manager and went back to work today after Xmas break and was taken straight up to the conference room where a string of allegations were made against me and I have been suspended on full pay. The allegations range from the ridiculous (i.e we only play my choice of music in the office, when I'm in a bad mood the office suffers etc. etc.) to the serious (i.e I have touched this male member of staff on the back of the neck. We are a tactile office and there are others far more tactile than I).

I am devestated and in utter shock. I am not able to talk to anyone from work except my director, and yet this guy remains at work and could be saying goodness know what. I've been there 2 years and he has been there 6 months and has already been moved from one dept as he wasn't up to scrathc and I agreed to have him in my office! This is the thanks I get.

What is my position?

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sis · 21/01/2005 10:56

Becki, I totally understand why you resigned - I'm not sure I would have been able to go back either. If you want to have the option to claim constructive unfair dismissal, you will have to state, in writing, that you are appealing their decision to give you the final written warning for the reasons you have given us and also that you are raising a formal grievance about your treatment but that you are happy (?!) to have both issues dealt at the same meeting - this saves you having to go in for two meetings instead of one.

Speak to your lawyer, they should be able to advise you and in any event, you may want to check out this DTI page - there is full guidance for employees on the DTI website here - scroll down about two thirds of the page.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you for Monday - have you decided what you will say when they ask why you are leaving your current job?

paolosgirl · 21/01/2005 11:03

Like everyone here, I've been following this with interest/sympathy/horror and wish you all the very best. If you do go for constructive dismissal, good luck. Hugs to you...

Marina · 21/01/2005 11:03

I think you have done the right thing, Becki, that's a fab letter, and all the best with the interview. You deserve a break.

oops · 21/01/2005 11:17

Message withdrawn

mears · 21/01/2005 11:22

Good luck BeckiF. Hope all goes well on Monday. If you get a new job you may want to put all this behind you and move on. Filing for constructive dismissal might be time consuming and soul destroying. You certainly will need to follow sis' advice if that is what you are going to do. Good luck with whatever you decide.

BeckiF · 21/01/2005 12:50

I don't think that I could face them on another meeting, the last 3.5hr one was stress city and one of the hardest and most exhausting things that I have ever been through. I KNOW that facing them again would destroy me and that surely that has to be considered by any tribunal?

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sis · 21/01/2005 13:57

In that case, I you could write to them setting out the grounds of an appeal and formally raise your grievance but state that, because of the effect on your health you would not be able to attend another hearing and ask them consider the matter by correspondence. Under the new rules, you have very little chance of getting to a tribnal if you don't, at the very least appeal and raise a grievance in writing. sorry, I know it has all been awful and you don't really want to think about it too much.

I think Oops makes a good point in that you can still be a winner even if you don't follow this up in a tribunal. Be good to yourself and think about what you really want to do next.

BeckiF · 21/01/2005 17:02

Feeling VERY low ... here is what my solicitor said:-

"Claiming constructive dismissal is a very high risk strategy. The authorities are quite clear that it is not enough for the employee to leave merely because the employer has acted unreasonably; the conduct of the employer must amount to a breach of the Contract of Employment.

Historically, in order to claim it is necessary to show four conditions:-

  1. That there is a breach of contract by the employer;

2.That breach must be sufficiently important to justify the employee resigning, or else it must be the last in a series of incidents which justify resignation,

3.The employee must leave in response of the breach and not for some other, unconnected reason;

4.The employer must not delay too long in terminating the contract in response to the employer?s breach.

Since October of 2004, before raising a complaint to an Employment Tribunal, an employee, subject to certain exceptions, should have raised any grievance in writing and have waited at least 28 days before presenting any claim to the Employment Tribunal relating to that particular subject. A premature claim will be automatically rejected by the Tribunal, although it may be presented again once the written grievance has been raised and a period of 28 days has again been expired.

I note that you were advised of a right of appeal, but declined to exercise that right. There is a strict time limit for claims to the Employment Tribunal, and the claim must be lodged within 3 months of the date of termination. This is very strict and you should pay particular attention to the time limit."

I never said I'd been told I could appeal, I just knew that I had that right!!! Now what? ...

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mears · 21/01/2005 17:20

Usually you have 7 days within which to lodge an appeal so it is not too late to do that.

weightwatchingwaterwitch · 21/01/2005 17:31

Becki, you've nothing to lose by starting the wheels in motion by sending allthe necessary letters and threatening them with constructive dismissal have you? You're not going back, whatever happens. They've handled this VERY badly and sound like a bunch of fuckwits to me, might they go for paying you off and giving you a reference to avoid legal action if you threaten it? It might be worth at least asking your solicitor to draft a letter to that effect and then see what happens.

When you interview, you could say as a reason for leaving (other than the truth, which, unfair though it is, I wouldn't share with a potential employer)that your last job lacked challenge and you've decided to work on a freelance basis while you're looking for something more interesting but then you saw the ad for xyx job (don't know if this is feasible in your type of work) and applied since it sounds so interesting. You can say you're registered with agencies/whatever for freelance work but not concerned about any wait since it's worth waiting for the right job for you and besides, you know you're employable.

I've also recruited people in the past (twice actually that I can remember) who said they'd left their last jobs because they had sick family members, mothers both times actually, and needed the time off to care for them, which wouldn't have been allowed (and they wouldn't have expected) by their employer so they'd left and decided to find something when their support as a carer was no longer needed. I gave both people the job and both worked out well. It's a risky ish reason for leaving (and won't work if you haven't got a big gap I suppose) but just thought I'd offer it anyway.

BeckiF · 24/01/2005 20:34

Still waiting to hear back from my work re the disciplinary. I understand that I can't appeal until I've had the official notice of the final written warning. Can't wait to get the appeal under way ...

... oh and by the way, got offered a job today for a three month contract paying good money too! One door closes etc. etc. !

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SenoraPostrophe · 24/01/2005 20:47

excellent news on the job!

BeckiF · 25/01/2005 08:36

Sis! Ring me when you can! Got 2 letters today, one confirming that they had given me a final written warning for abusing the internet policy (my first offence EVER!) and that they wanted to discuss my resignation letter, which theyhave still to accept!

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weightwatchingwaterwitch · 25/01/2005 08:55

FAb news on the job Becki!

aloha · 25/01/2005 09:28

Yippee! re new job Becki - what fab, fab, fab news. Look, I had a crap time at one employer, when through something not quite as stupid as you have had to endure, but I had a new job in five minutes. I am SO glad I don't still work for old employer. I think you are quite right not to go back - you have other, more important stuff going on in your life right now and I think that deserves your attention, not these ar**s. Hooray for you!

galaxy · 25/01/2005 09:32

Great news on the job Becki.

Freckle · 25/01/2005 11:05

Wonderful news about the new job. Any likelihood that it will become permanent after the 3 month contract expires?

sis · 25/01/2005 12:32

Will call tonight at about 8.30pm if that is okay. In case I don't find your number (I am so unorganised!) check on your e-mails and on here for a message from me.

galaxy · 25/01/2005 12:33

sis - sorry to hijack thread...I need to send you my letter to look over if OK? Are you at work today?

BeckiF · 25/01/2005 13:44

Sis - PC is on and off like J-Lo's engagements, so I will e-mail you my number again.

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sis · 25/01/2005 20:15

lol at j-lo's engagements!

BeckiF · 01/02/2005 13:41

Sis!! Really need to talk to you when you are available! My employes won't pay me for the time I[ve been suspended! In fact, they have paid money in then reversed it!!!!

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Tanzie · 01/02/2005 21:59

Becki - are they perhaps witholding money because you didn't work your notice (as if you couldbe expected to)?

BeckiF · 01/02/2005 23:20

Nope - they are trying to say that I have had extra days off over what I am entitled to ... it's all rollox really and sis has given me some advice tonight. Just waiting to hear beack from the company as the when these days were!!

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BeckiF · 02/02/2005 21:22

Ooooo! Now they are trying to say ALL sorts, like I've falsified records (i.e. signatures), etc. etc. .... nasty sods. Don't know how much more I can take.

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