To the non-vaxxers who work for the NHS- do we have a leg to stand on?

[LMonkey]

So it's looking like vaccines will become mandatory for all NHS workers from April next year...where on earth can we go fro here?
I really dont want to get in to a vaccine debate. I have strong feelings as to why I don't want the vaccine. I'm a med sec and don't see any patients any way, or go anywhere near them. But regardless of this I strongly feel NOBODY should be forced to have any vaccine. Do we have a leg to stand on? I mean it's not lawful to force an employee to have a vaccine but if the government make it compulsory for nhs staff is there any way round it do you think? This really is causing me enormous amounts of stress. I really don't know what to do (please don't anyone say "get the vaccine"). I'd love to hear from others in the same boat or from a legal standpoint.

FYI, the NHS will have no problem replacing you or others who don't want to protects yourselves or, you know, the colleagues you work with who DO come into contact with patients.

Even clinically the staffing levels have started to go up again in recent weeks.

@Ghoulette

FYI, the NHS will have no problem replacing you or others who don't want to protects yourselves or, you know, the colleagues you work with who DO come into contact with patients.

Even clinically the staffing levels have started to go up again in recent weeks.

If only that were true.

@Mybalconyiscracking

Just have the vaccine, what makes you so bloody precious?

Her right to risk the health of others is greater than her responsibility not to be a selfish idiot.

This really is causing me enormous amounts of stress. I really don't know what to do

Easy. Find another job if you can't agree to the terms of the current one. What else do you think people are going to tell you? I was a carer who had the jab early on to protect the clients I was looking after and I really have no time for people who can't see the bigger picture.

Presumably you've already had other jabs during your lifetime OP? Or was that ok because there wasn't an attention grabbing 'anti-vaxxer' label attached or a herd to follow? It's an odd form of rebellion that's for sure.

Why people go on about other vaccines that were approved decades ago. You are a entitled to want wait about this experimental vaccine.

You follow all the policies in your contract atm I take it?

Well this is a new policy, you don't get the choice to follow it or not.
If you don't follow it then they terminate your contract.

No one is forcing you at all.

But OP if you get covid and end up in hospital on a ventilator I'm sure you would wish you had the vaccine to have a milder case of it.

It wouldn't be redundancy would it? It would be getting sacked.

No clue what’s been proposed for the employment mechanisms here. Can you elaborate?

@fournonblondes

Why people go on about other vaccines that were approved decades ago. You are a entitled to want wait about this experimental vaccine.

* not experimental.

@JassyRadlett

It wouldn't be redundancy would it? It would be getting sacked.

No clue what’s been proposed for the employment mechanisms here. Can you elaborate?

Well I can't imagine they are going to offer to pay people to leave.

@Getyourarseofffthequattro

Out trust seem to be doing ok at the moment. We are still under extreme pressures but bank shift availability has reduced to "normal" (for this time of year) levels and we have recruited a number of new nurses recently. That said, 75% of our staff have just had their boosters, never mind the vaccine in the first place.

Tons of people out there want to do admin work so OP is even easier to replace than a nurse would be.

I would be interested to see the fallout from this though, in terms of clinical staffing. A lot of us, myself included, left frontline roles for med sec, admin and IT positions because covid was so awful to deal with on the front line.

I guess a lot of the replies are saying, if you agreed to work in the National Health Service, then you are overall agreeing to work for the benefit for patients.

So if you then do something that puts them at risk, then there might not be a load of sympathy if you have to look for another job.

So yes it’s hard to have stress, and totally up to you to have a vaccine. However I had to go to hospital recently and another patient, quite selfishly really, lied about her symptoms and refused a PCR test but then relented and was tested positive for Covid. She was right next to me and I was quite vulnerable medically. Hospitals do have the right to try and protect patients first and foremost. Individual rights not to be vaccinated or tested don’t trump that.

@JassyRadlett - I quote you in reply to your own reply to me "Misinformation isn’t sexy and it isn’t a good look on people."

Wake up, just in this country thousands of medical professionals are speaking out about the misinformation that is being spread by the govt in order to protect big pharma, so it can keep on milking the so-called pandemic. They are not conspiracy theorists, but working in the NHS and private sector.
The spread of this virus this autumn is crazy, when at least 80% of the country is jabbed compared to this time last year?!?.... how is it even possible? How? Because the jab simply does NOT stop transmission. If any of the govt's numbers were correct, the virus would have stopped spreading like wildfire by now.
The jab is excellent for keeping mortality rates down, but does shit all for preventing transmission.
So now, what would be the reason for anybody, already working in the NHS, for taking this jab if they think they're not in the vulnerable category???

The NHS cannot afford to lose someone with 10 years experience for the sake of a jab that doesn't even prevent transmission

But l believe the third jab is proving excellent against transmission.

Choosing between a vaccine you dont want and losing your job is not a choice. Its an ultimatum.Its blackmail.

You could be triple vaccinated and still catch covid of a triple vaccinated person yet its still all put on the unvaccinated toes.

Just like its on the kids toes to protect the double vaccinated teachers.

Fucking bonkers

@fournonblondes

Why people go on about other vaccines that were approved decades ago. You are a entitled to want wait about this experimental vaccine.

Because trials for other meds and vaccines took about the same time to be trialed as normal vaccines and no one has an issue with them.

With covid, they just skipped the animal testing part.

[quote Ghoulette]@Getyourarseofffthequattro

Out trust seem to be doing ok at the moment. We are still under extreme pressures but bank shift availability has reduced to "normal" (for this time of year) levels and we have recruited a number of new nurses recently. That said, 75% of our staff have just had their boosters, never mind the vaccine in the first place.

Tons of people out there want to do admin work so OP is even easier to replace than a nurse would be.

I would be interested to see the fallout from this though, in terms of clinical staffing. A lot of us, myself included, left frontline roles for med sec, admin and IT positions because covid was so awful to deal with on the front line. [/quote]
Ours isn't. We've had a med sec post out for advert 4 times and not managed to appoint anyone. It probably does differ between trusts but it will just make nhs admin more unattractive than it already is. There isn't much going for it.

But l believe the third jab is proving excellent against transmission

ffs.. aye I bet

Also, other vaccines could have been trialed and developed safely during a much shorter period of time, just like covid. The difference is the world was working on it and throwing money at it so funding wasn't an issue like it often is with other vaccines.

@Ghoulette

FYI, the NHS will have no problem replacing you or others who don't want to protects yourselves or, you know, the colleagues you work with who DO come into contact with patients.

Even clinically the staffing levels have started to go up again in recent weeks.

Not so sure about that. The admin job I looked at has just been readvertised for the second time due to lack of applicants. And a gold plated pension isn’t going to pay my bills now. I certainly can’t afford to take a job paying £6k less than my previous one and that’s if I went in at the top of the pay grade,

With covid, they just skipped the animal testing part.

Nope. Lies. Definitely tested on animals, that’s why I will not have the vaccine.

FlorenciaFlora
EVERY SINGLE ONE of the patients dying in the ITU where I work is unvaccinated. Age range is typically 30-60 in this wave. The treatment is horrific. Those who survive are being left with terrible disability, we’ve had to deliver pregnant women who then die or are left with post partum and post ITU psychosis. I just don’t understand how people can think the risks of vaccination are higher than this

I can’t find those figures in this weeks gov surveillance report.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf
Why would you? I am talking about the hospital where I work.

If you are in the uk your hospitals deaths and admissions will be listed on that weekly government report. Are you in the uk?

I work in the NHS and had to have vaccines before I could get into medical school, and have had them checked every year since....

Surely we can all agree that losing a boatload of staff will be far more detrimental to the NHS than unvaccinated staff working in medical settings exactly as they are doing now, have been for 18 months and will continue to do so until April

[quote murcimari]@JassyRadlett - I quote you in reply to your own reply to me "Misinformation isn’t sexy and it isn’t a good look on people."

Wake up, just in this country thousands of medical professionals are speaking out about the misinformation that is being spread by the govt in order to protect big pharma, so it can keep on milking the so-called pandemic. They are not conspiracy theorists, but working in the NHS and private sector.
The spread of this virus this autumn is crazy, when at least 80% of the country is jabbed compared to this time last year?!?.... how is it even possible? How? Because the jab simply does NOT stop transmission. If any of the govt's numbers were correct, the virus would have stopped spreading like wildfire by now.
The jab is excellent for keeping mortality rates down, but does shit all for preventing transmission.
So now, what would be the reason for anybody, already working in the NHS, for taking this jab if they think they're not in the vulnerable category???[/quote]
Oh look…here come the “wake up” brigade .

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow....

But l believe the third jab is proving excellent against transmission.

it seriously scares me when I read comments like yours, there really is no hope for humanity.