To the non-vaxxers who work for the NHS- do we have a leg to stand on?

[LMonkey]

So it's looking like vaccines will become mandatory for all NHS workers from April next year...where on earth can we go fro here?
I really dont want to get in to a vaccine debate. I have strong feelings as to why I don't want the vaccine. I'm a med sec and don't see any patients any way, or go anywhere near them. But regardless of this I strongly feel NOBODY should be forced to have any vaccine. Do we have a leg to stand on? I mean it's not lawful to force an employee to have a vaccine but if the government make it compulsory for nhs staff is there any way round it do you think? This really is causing me enormous amounts of stress. I really don't know what to do (please don't anyone say "get the vaccine"). I'd love to hear from others in the same boat or from a legal standpoint.

@Grenlei

Anecdotal of course, but most of the people I know who have had Covid have had it in the last 3 months, since being vaccinated, they'd never had Covid previously. Many were quite unwell (one is still in hospital).

I don't know anyone unvaccinated who has had it recently, let alone badly enough to end up in hospital.

Have seen this so many times too. No one I know whos not had the jab has been ill with covid.

@JassyRadlett

‘What did you do in the pandemic Mummy?’
‘I repeated the same facts over and over again on the internet.’

I'm hoping you have set up macros for automatic responses by now! 😉

Rosette were they not given meds in the 50's that caused people to be thaliamoid

Don't you think I know about that given my age?
And why stringent testing was brought in since then.

It is technically true that there is no long term data on covid vaccines. The same could be said for the HPV vaccine which has been routinely administered for 10-15 years how and has significantly brought down incidences of cervical cancer.
But- and I am very well researched on this because I actually took part in a vaccine trial - in the history of vaccines we know that absolutely categorically side effects of vaccines happen fairly quickly after the event. Virtually always within a month and usually much less time.
Vaccines all broadly have a similar effect on the immune system and whilst there is indeed a risk in the short term, in the long term is it almost unheard of.

all the other jabs are there to protect patients unlike the C-jab, which doesn't even limit transmission....

This statement is incorrect.

The primary way the vaccines limit transmission is by preventing the majority of infections. There is strong evidence on this.

As mentioned at least twice on this thread, while there is evidence that suggests the highest-risk household transmission rate of secondary infection isn’t lowered by vaccination, there are studies out of several countries that indicate an overall significant decrease (potentially as high as 63%) in transmission from a vaccinated infected person.

Misinformation isn’t sexy and it isn’t a good look on people.

@Lobster2018

I can't believe the amount of horrid responses you've had here OP.

I totally see where you are coming from but sadly I do think you'll end up having to find another job, my DM is a practice nurse and she will be walking from the job the second the vaccine is made mandatory.

All the best

This!

I'm hoping you have set up macros for automatic responses by now!

The sodding evidence base keeps improving! Bastard scientists updating their data.

[quote FlorenciaFlora]EVERY SINGLE ONE of the patients dying in the ITU where I work is unvaccinated. Age range is typically 30-60 in this wave. The treatment is horrific. Those who survive are being left with terrible disability, we’ve had to deliver pregnant women who then die or are left with post partum and post ITU psychosis. I just don’t understand how people can think the risks of vaccination are higher than this

I can’t find those figures in this weeks gov surveillance report.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf[/quote]
Why would you? I am talking about the hospital where I work.

I believe there will not be mandatory vaccines for NHS workers in England now after all (which is good). I also know there are very strong views on both sides in this and that is good in a free society that is still allowed. there are plenty of countries where that kind of freedom of speech is illegal.

I’m now retired,but I worked for the NHS in a busy out patient department and had direct contact with patients in an out patient setting as well as in patients on various wards and A/E.I had to have a hepatitis B vaccination to work there.I wasn’t given a choice.

I’ve had a job in the past requiring international travel and a condition of employment was getting vaccinated to travel to certain countries so needed a host of jabs… is this any different?

You say you want to take the risk of COVID. That is your choice.

I don't want vulnerable people who rely on the NHS to be put a risk so you can exercise your "beliefs".

I don't think the NHS is for you.

People just love to act superior. They act like being vaccinated is some great gift they’ve given for the benefit of others. You only need to read some of their other posts on other threads to realise what selfish arseholes some of them are in other aspects of their life. They wouldn’t help anyone out, they just love to stick the boot in.

And I know one of the posters on this thread IRL being an arsehole to the OP, she doesn’t wear a mask and refused to do a covid test when she wanted to go to an event in case it was positive.... so yeah, ignore the arsehole posters!

@generalexpert

You say you want to take the risk of COVID. That is your choice.

I don't want vulnerable people who rely on the NHS to be put a risk so you can exercise your "beliefs".

I don't think the NHS is for you.

The NHS won't be for anyone if it's got no staff left. They won't be able to rely on it.

[quote Colin56]@SarahBop

I will answer you questions below fully:

'But if you've had YOUR vaccine and you're confident it is helping to protect you, what concern is it if some staff members aren't vaccinated?
A: Because I believe it is everyones responsibility to be vaccinated to reduce transmission on those who are old or immune supressed.
B: Because the less transmission there is the less potential for variants and a continuation of this crisis.
C: Because I feel so sorry for younger people who have to bear brunt of repeated cycles of infection driven by posters like the OP who think only of themselves.
D: Because if you work in healthcare you have a moral obligation to give service users, many of whom are vulnerable, an environment thats as safe as possible.

"Bear in mind the vaccinated staff can, and will, still be carrying covid too ...and also they will ALL have been wearing adequate PPE, the risk to you is utterly minimal'

A: I can see you think that I think like you- about the risk to me-I dont, I think about the risk to others and the impact on others. I choose to get vaccinated for my community, not for me. I have exactly the same concerns people mention here, but Im not selfish so I put them to one side.

Hope this answers your question.[/quote]
What a hero, pleased for you.

On the other hand, I DON'T want to put something in my body which has potential risks for me. If that makes me selfish, so be it.
Likewise I'm not putting it in my children's bodies either.

@Narwhalsh

I’ve had a job in the past requiring international travel and a condition of employment was getting vaccinated to travel to certain countries so needed a host of jabs… is this any different?

Yes..... Of course it is.

All the pro-vax who are on about taking it in order to keep the strain off the NHS...I take it none of you eat fatty foods/smoke or drink alcohol, no?

Yes..... Of course it is.

Can you explain how? They’re both jobs that require vaccines as a condition of employment.

Vaccines are something we should all be grateful for. Without vaccines many of us would not even have been born. Go to any grave yard and look at the ages of people who died in the 1800s and you will see that many of them were children who died of childhood diseases that we don’t even have to worry about anymore - because of vaccines. Remember how many people were dying at the start of the pandemic before the vaccine roll out? It’s thanks to the people getting vaccinated that the numbers of deaths and people catching and becoming seriously ill with Covid have gone down.

@CoffeeWithCheese

I had a bad reaction to my first vaccine, I had to go via my GP as I thought as it made me vomit badly, the pains i my legs were because that had aggravated kidney disease. It hadn't thankfully, but they still deemed it wasn't a good idea for me to have it again due to slightly raised blood clotting factor & the general bad reaction I had.

As a result my GP organised a different vaccine for my second jab & I had barely any side effects to that one & will get that for my booster too

Do speak to your GP, they can help you

I think the responses on here are vile. You shouldn’t have to choose between your job or the vaccine. Of course it’s your right not to have the vaccine. I would just wait it out and see what happens, they may change their minds, create a loophole for admin staff or pay you off to leave. Don’t choose to leave make them fire you.

@SarahBop

All the pro-vax who are on about taking it in order to keep the strain off the NHS...I take it none of you eat fatty foods/smoke or drink alcohol, no?

So you're comparing not getting vaxxed to alcohol/smoking and other unhealthy things? So you're capable of admitting it's bad?

@JassyRadlett

Yes..... Of course it is.

Can you explain how? They’re both jobs that require vaccines as a condition of employment.

Did you know when you took the job that there was travel involved to countries that required vaccinations?

Or did they spring it on you after 10 years and say take it or be sacked?

All the pro-vax who are on about taking it in order to keep the strain off the NHS...I take it none of you eat fatty foods/smoke or drink alcohol, no?

No I don't & youre point is

You work in healthcare. Get the bloody vaccine or bugger off!

Also, don't use the NHS for anything (especially if you end up catching covid) take any medication or consume anything, because you never know what's in it despite the ingredients for the vaccine being public knowledge, just like ingredients on all packaging/medication.