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I’m a career coach for women changing direction AMA

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Angliski · 18/02/2020 01:16

Hello

I’m a career coach with 15 years experience of heaping women find the right rile and change direction. I also have a newborn cluster feeding so am pretty bored. Ask me anything!

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BluSpider · 13/11/2020 22:47

Both nursing and teaching are constrained by the same environmental factors- bureaucracy, low levels of funding, government bullshit. Can you cope with those?
No. That’s why I want out! Tired of being underpaid for the work I do while watching friends in other fields get highly paid and respected as professionals, even though they work fewer hours in a much nicer environment. I’m not fussed what I do as long as it pays decent money and I get to work in a nice office where I’m treated like a human being.

My biggest problem is that I’m not bubbly or sociable. I’m hard working and competent but that apparently isn’t enough. I’m too awkward and nerdy for employers to pick me, and I don’t know how to get around that.

Angliski · 13/11/2020 22:50

@bluespider find an awkward and nerdy company and REVEL in it.

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Angliski · 13/11/2020 22:51

@BluSpider

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NachoFries · 13/11/2020 23:01

Just came across this post. Sounds fascinating, how did you get into your career?

SlipperTripper · 14/11/2020 00:07

This is a brilliant thread, thank you. I'm in the process of making a huge career change, and reading your posts has helped confirm to me that I'm making the right move.

Vintage123 · 14/11/2020 13:43

I have that feeling of having just drifted into admin posts. Good level of education (degree) but never progressed in a career (emotional issues/low confidence/low stress threshold). Basically, all apart from my last job, I was shuffling paper. Last job has changed very much in nature and has become more about processing so don't think I'll try and return. Out of work 7 years now (sahm). Thinking about voluntary work just to place myself into different environments (though badly lacking confidence). 4 people I know (females) working in admin have recently been made redundant...even more applicants for jobs.
Fortunately, I don't (currently) have to earn a living as such but I think it helps self esteem to have some sort of earned income. Working on developing a hobby business...now realise there are going to small financial returns and it is a lot more difficult than I first thought! It is really difficult when you don't have a specific skill or direction. Also, I think you tend to reflect when you reach your 40's, I have felt a real shift, unfortunately, I am still not clear what I want to do (not had a lightbulb moment).

NowImmeagain · 14/11/2020 23:02

Great thread! Thanks for posting.

I drifted into admin jobs, no degree and now suffer with anxiety and am looking for an office job not involving reception work or audio typing, as I'm developing arthritis in my fingers. Unfortunately my age (fifties) is against me and obviously the current situation. Any ideas where to start? I've been off ill for a while and when I go back to work I need to earn enough to pay the bills.

GuyFawkesDay · 14/11/2020 23:08

I'm so ready for a change. I love teaching but on my knees exhausted. I've lost sight of who I am and what I enjoy in the slog.

I had 5 years corporate experience before teaching. And now I can't backtrack, I'm mid 40s and can't see my way of this maze.

stillcountingmyvotes · 15/11/2020 13:04

Huge solidarity to all of us struggling on here.
@Angliski, thank you for your very thoughtful response. Sorry for my late reply, I'm not processing anything very quickly at the moment.
The idea that this isn't a time to think about passions, this is a time for rest, really resonates. I guess I'm scared that if I do stop searching and rest, I'll never get up again! But the searching certainly isn't getting me anywhere.
@BluSpider, I've also tried teaching and nursing, and also felt battered by the bureaucracy and lack of room to respond creatively to the people I'm meant to be teaching/caring for.
The only passion I can think of at the moment, is performing (only ever at school, I'm not a resting actor), radio and writing. These are not entirely reasonable career destinations for someone with no experience in their late 40s!
I need to be sensible.
@Angliski I'd like to see your webinar, and will DM you. Thank you for your energy and insights here!

slidingdrawers · 15/11/2020 14:05

@stillcountingmyvotes
I'd planned to reply to you a few days ago to let you know that your posts have really reasonated with me and that you are not alone. I see @Angliski has responded and I wanted to reinforce to you her recommendation of the importance of rest. I hope my story will give you some hope.

I burnt out a few months ago, it was a long time coming, and I had to go through extended periods of what I can only describe as cognitive dissonance to try to align why I was feeling as I was and not coping when I was 1. pursuing my passion, 2. according to my colleagues excelled at what I did and 3. it suited my talents and skill set.

The conditions for burn out to happen described by @Angliski are interesting to me looking back at the last few months more objectively. The reality is that I was in an environment which made me feel unsafe. I felt I was taking huge risks not only professionally but with my clients. When Covid hit this reinforced these feelings for me. I spent the first few months after leaving feeling huge guilt that I had burnt out, how could others cope when I couldn't, was it a failing in me, was I a coward? It certainly felt that way. However with time and yes, rest, I've realised that despite this role being my passion and all the things I've described above, it wasn't right for me, certainly environmentally and culturally. It’s given me time to reflect on who I thought I was and who I actually am.
That has been crucial.

I feel I’m coming out the other side finally and finding a little bit of energy again to be curious about my future but I’m not rushing things. I’m confident this’ll happen for you too.

stillcountingmyvotes · 15/11/2020 14:31

@slidingdrawers, thank you for sharing what's been happening to you. I'm really glad I'm not the only one.
Environment/culture plays such a huge part in our sense of safety (and therefore enjoyment). I never considered this when I was young.
I really feel I've slipped into the 'learned helplessness' that I see my clients experiencing - decades of trying to find the 'right fit' have worn me out and you become loathe to try anything new. You're protecting yourself from the inevitable 'No'.
I know I'm at a low ebb because when very kind, generous friends tell me it will be okay, my (internal) response is anger and 'No it effing won't, that's not the evidence so far'.

CandyLeBonBon · 15/11/2020 14:38

Interesting op. I'm a photographer but have reached burn out phase. I love what I do but I feel that true success is really elusive. I work so hard and yet feel like I'm barely treading water. I just want to sleep!
I've longed for a coach/mentor but the cost seems prohibitive BlushSad

Angliski · 15/11/2020 17:17

Great discussion here. Let me get baby a bedding and will review last couple of pages and makes sure to respond individually.

Environment always makes the difference.

@CandyLeBonBon who would be your perfect mentor in your industry? Have you asked them? Caitlin Moran said in her new book that no one has ever given her more money or status or anything worth having at work without her asking for it.

Just saying

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Angliski · 15/11/2020 17:23

@NachoFries hmmm well I sort of made it.

I’d always liked people and been nosy. So I could have enjoyed journalism or psychology or market research I suppose. After I left the civil service, I joined a culture change consultancy and knew I had found my work niche. It was also a virtual company so I never worked full time in house again, which suits me. I’d taken a lot of personal development training (insight seminars- amazing and price friendly atm, people) and knew I wanted to work in human potential. Trained as a coach and biographical storyteller in 2004 and recognised the overlap. Began exploring that in workshops with people of all ages from 10-80. Eventually came soon an approach that helped all humans and have been refining, teaching and coaching to it ever since. Now I train other coaches and managers in it too. Second book out next year and I am excited to see how it helps.

A few things:

Both my parents work for themselves so this was normal for me.
I discovered I am unemployable. I hate the turn up every day and be nice thing, don’t like early starts, have no diplomacy and don’t have the stamina for for full time or asking anyone if I can have a day off out of my own life!
I’m no good at tolerating discomfort, so was motivated to find a way to be comfortable.
I was skint while growing my work for quite some time- a few years, while I found my feet. As a result, I help others shift more skilfully than I did!!

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Vintage123 · 15/11/2020 17:36

Both my parents work for themselves so this was normal for me.
I discovered I am unemployable. I hate the turn up every day and be nice thing, don’t like early starts, have no diplomacy and don’t have the stamina for for full time or asking anyone if I can have a day off out of my own life!
I’m no good at tolerating discomfort, so was motivated to find a way to be comfortable. I was skint while growing my work for quite some time- a few years, while I found my feet.

Interesting Angliski.

Look forward to your comments regarding 40 something career change.

If you made the above realisations in your 20's this is phenomenal.

I have a teenager who doesn't have 'direction'. I fear she will drift just as I did.

Chocolatethiswayplease · 16/11/2020 09:19

Hi @Angliski. I’ve read the whole thread: thank you for giving so much time and fantastic advice.

What advice would you give to someone who has been successful in a career (tax adviser), wants to start up on their own but has no transferable skills? I don’t enjoy detailed tax work but do enjoy marketing the firm and explaining complex concepts to people in simple terms. I’m a people person who has ended up in a solitary legislation based job which does not suit my skillset.

I have the time, drive and financial ability to set up on my own and at desperate to do so but can’t identify what my niche would be. I’d like to use my tax and accountancy skills but not in doing actual tax work which seems to leave me lost for options!

Angliski · 16/11/2020 09:50

OKey doke! I am going to go through everyone in turn here. Thanks for your patience.

@Loti92 I would always encourage people who feel they need a change, to begin exploring how to go about it. If you know you are tired, stressed, overwhelmed or out of love with your work, then something needs to shift. The first step is to explore what that something is - exactly.

If you search upthread, you will find an explanation of The Career Equation. Briefly speaking, what we want to be able to pinpoint is where the malfunction lies.

Is it in the skills you use?
Is it in your passion/interest for the job?
Is it in the results you get? (Impact - we call this)
Or is it in the environment - like the speed, bureaucracy, pressure, pay, flexibility, location etc.

What do you think?

Sounds like it is passion and environment from the little you have shared - but maybe come back and say some more?

The reason this is important is that sometimes, the shift we need to make is less grand than we feared. Maybe a different workspace, client, culture would address some of our concerns or maybe not. But it is hard to see until we know the exact nature of the problem.

The next thing to do is to work out which skills you want to sell. These can be things you previously dismissed as ' just how I am'. For example, I make a living from being very nosy. Comedians make a living from observing and performing. AirBNB hosts make a living from sharing space. So consider, what are your top 3 natural attributes? What do your friends always say about you? E'g good listener, great eye for style etc.

When you approach a career from a position of natural strength, making a change to doing that work feels less daunted as you are qualified by being you.

Come back to me on this and we can talk some more.

I hear you about confidence. But know that confidence increases when we start exploring whether the negative, critical voice is actually correct. In your case, the voice is saying - what can I do, I haven't got any other skills, it's too scary to change, I can't do it. These are just thoughts and feelings, they aren't facts. So we have to be a bit challenging and stand up to that voice, to make sure it isn't just making Trumpian declarations.

However, this voice is also valuable because it helps us and protects us and keeps us safe. It is helpful to have its cautionary warning about investigating what we do next, preparing for the change etc. All that risk management is useful, but we cannot let it stop us moving forward.

Look forward to hearing from you.

@ilovebrie8 Never too old to change direction. A recent survey I read, must find reference, said that 82% of people over the age of 47 who endeavoured to make a career change, succeeded. The advantage of 40 plus is that YOU ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING. You have lived, learned, had experiences and are a safe pair of hands. These things count for a lot. You also know yourself and what you want better. Give us a bit more info.

I work with a lot of folks in their 40-60 age bracket. Most of them astonish me with their talent, curiosity, commitment and their lack of confidence in these. Be more specific about your anxieties and I can be more useful. No sense in making assumptions.

@stillcountingmyvotes we spoke a bit earlier about burn out. A bit more on this is that the right environment won't cost you your sanity or happiness. I am really sorry to hear about your bullying experience. It sounds like the new role just doesn't quite cut the mustard.

Do you still love the things you used to? Could you explore the question, how could I have those things, at good pay and take care to put myself in a non-toxic culture?

The thing is, when we are upset, it is because we only see the past. We see a new job and think it will only be the same as the BS we put up with before. We see a potential lover/partner and we think they will shaft us like x did. But you are the situation are never the same again. You never step in the same river twice. The river is different and so are you. Just knowing that the lenses you have on are just lenses, can help.

@Vintage123 you have written a novel! This is amazing! Take a proper bow - really, that is a phenomenal achievement - and with a small person. How's the self publishing going? Amazing.

Can you just take some time to give yourself some creds! You have a small person, you have life and hormone transition raging and you are still finding the entrepreneurial energy to get a hobby business going- come on lady! You are an inspiration! What's the hobby.

" I have the perfect knack of talking myself out of something as opposed to giving something a go. "

I am sure lot of us feel this way. It's normal to resist change and going outside the comfort zone. It is what stopped us getting eaten by mammoths. People who do the stuff you want to do aren't any less scared, they just don't let fear stop them. What's the conversation you have inside before you drop something? Who is talking? What part of you do you think is feeling worried and what could you do to help her feel more safe?

I once took a stand up comedy training. The first gig or two went well. Then i suffered a crushing defeat. A friend, with a poetry night, asked me to do the final five mins. I did think that poets might not be in the stand up comedy laughing zone, but I agreed. I was right. They all stroked their beards through the whole set, they hadn't come to laugh! I totally died. I had to run down the street, fluffing up my aura and shouting 'it's ok, I am still alive, nothing is broken, I will survive this!' which was probably a funnier show for passers by than my stupid 5 mins set. Anyway, the thing is, most things don't kill us and we have to risk to learn. Stand up taught me to be ok with failing publicly, and this helped a lot.

Improv is an amazing thing to learn to make you more comfortable with 'exposure'. It's great fun too. See Maydays or Amused Moose online, they do some fantastic virtual improv classes I think.

@AJS2019 Sounds tough at the moment, sending a hug. Don't apply for stuff you don't want or are overqualified for. It makes you feel busy but it is likely to be a bad fit. If you are rural, take advantage of the changing work environment, you can now be hired by anyone, anywhere to work at a distance. My team has been entirely virtual this year and we met up about 4-6 times a year last year and we really do have a ball and are a very tight team. Who would your dream company or job be? What could you offer that company? Go specific, target and be determined.

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Angliski · 16/11/2020 10:03

@mummabear32 Here's a nice exercise for everyone to do.
Get out a piece of paper. Draw two axis like this.
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___ TIME To NOW
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Ok then map you entire work and home work time line from your very first job - saturday job, paperround etc, to your current role

Use the left hand axis to rate the role. From fab in the top left, to rubbish in the bottom left, so you end up with a wiggly line over the time horizontal line.

Then look at it and ask yourself - what was it that made those roles/work/life moments great or terrible? What skills was I using? Where was I and why did that make difference? What was I enjoying?How was I gauging my fulfilment. This is a good exercise for reflection on the past. From here, you will have a more informed view of what you want, need and hope for and then can begin the design process.

BTW we are currently piloting a digital version of our course. If you - anyone - are thinking of changing career direction, need help with applications etc, drop me a DM and we can put you on the free pilot in exchange for your feedback... how about that?

Also, @AJS2019 I just remembered that i have a webinar on applications i think, so drop me a DM and i will send you the link.

@NowImmeagain What skills do you want to use? how do you want to feel at the end of the day? Tell me this and I can help more. When people tell me what they don't want I can't really help because I don't yet know what you do want!

@GuyFawkesDay "now I can't backtrack". Are you 100% sure this is true? If you could, would you?

@slidingdrawers good on you and thank you for sharing. What helps is for all of us to know we are not alone.

@CandyLeBonBon DM me and trial our digital course for free - it would be a win/win as i need some pilot participants and it won't cost you a bean and could/shoudl help!

@Chocolatethiswayplease how exciting for you! how about offering marketing advice to tax/accountants? I know a company that has made a fortune offering presenting skills or coaching advice to accountants? It's a specific niche? Can you find one client, one company who could really do with making their message more easy to understand and access, or more able to win new clients?

Get one client - don't bother with branding, website any of that. Just get one client. Have them pay you. See if you like it. See what you learn. Repeat.

What's your first step going to be?

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Vintage123 · 16/11/2020 12:43

Angliski. Thank you so much for replying. Well thought out responses, it is really kind of you.

Sometimes even the basic stuff in life can be lacking...like having a cheerleader. I don't have one of these, so add this to my lack of confidence and there's the perfect equation for staying stuck. It feels like a bit of negative cycle = you need to cheer yourself on but you don't have the confidence/self belief to do it etc. It's about feeling good about yourself and not relying on others to say well done etc.
I have always had the opposite...negative input from a very critical parent (who is no longer part of my life) and I have resulted in having perfectionist tendencies which can be a bit of headache to manage.

I think that if you are doing something that you really enjoy in the 40-60+ age bracket, motivation and energy levels would exist...it's getting started again after realising you are feeling drained/bored/burnt out etc.

I am hoping to pm you regarding hobby business Angliski. Don't want to announce it here.

Look forward to hearing how all the other posters are doing over the coming months/year. Updates would be great.

Vintage123 · 16/11/2020 12:48

I tried to rate my aspirations Angliski (using my own method previously), using a point system as to how they met my needs. The conclusion = they all came out and about the same, there wasn't a clear winner! The advantage one path had was cancelled out by a disadvantage (for example, hobby business would not bring me into contact with others...all week without social interaction and so on) and there were level pros and cons with each path. I have come to the conclusion that perhaps I need to try a mixture of everything.

Vintage123 · 16/11/2020 12:49

I think sometimes, it's easier to know what you don't want because you have already had that experience. But as above, you don't know what experience would tick the most boxes.

stillcountingmyvotes · 16/11/2020 13:57

@angliski, thank you for all of your thoughts. I've DM'ed you for your burn out webinar, and I'd love to join your pilot course, unless you already have enough people on it. Thanks

Chocolatethiswayplease · 16/11/2020 14:08

Thank you @Angliski. I really appreciate your ideas and have messaged you about your pilot course.

Angliski · 16/11/2020 17:45

@Vintage123 it’s fine to look at what you don’t want as long as you use it to flip to what you do went.

Say, I don’t like the bureaucracy of a big business. So maybe I want somewhere a bit more streamlined, where I am empowered to take key decisions.

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