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Feel like I am being pushed out of my job..advice and help needed!

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joesy43 · 06/10/2016 10:34

I have been in my job for 27 years. I work in a team which is myself providing admin support to lawyers. In July I had a few words with a junior who had discussed with others that it was inappropriate I had read out an email from another to my boss where I was mentioned. After asking her why she felt it was as it was about me and that I monitored his emails so I would see this, she said in case he got to hear about it.

The following week I received a call from HR asking me to ring them and when I did they said allegations had been made against me..they were as mentioned above and what that was about, alleging I had called another PA my boss' girlfriend and was reading out their emails. I explained about the email being about me and I denied saying 'girlfriend' and that I read emails between myself and the PA and not between my boss and her. A few days after this I was asked to do a vc between myself, boss and HR as they were in different offices. My boss basically interrogated me and raised other allegations one being discussing another PA booking travel? I defended myself as best I could and days later an email was sent stating he was not taking it further, no action was to be taken but if more allegations came to light action may be taken. I did not see him until about 3 weeks later and from then he says morning and goodbye and any requests for work were emailed or handwritten and left on my keyboard. We also had a girl who left and another on temp contract who I was very friendly with and both at their leaving interviews said how bad atmosphere is, no communication and an us and them attitude.

Last week I had my mid year review. When I entered the room, the HR girl was there also?..they started by saying there were issues that needed resolved and a bad atmosphere. I seemed to be very unhappy etc and then the knives were out..I was reactive not proactive..I needed to be looking at travel a month ahead and see what needed booked. I had booked a hotel the week before that was 25 mins away from event. I said I google mapped it and it said 15 mins..that I was leaving her stuff and she was having to do the admin when she had enough to do (this is a lie). The HR girl had the cheek to insult me when she asked if I needed to sit down with another PA to see what I should be doing! So it was left we will come back in a few weeks to see if there are improvements! Prior to this, my actual review was beg of year and in all sections I got valued performer. Needless to say I left the room, went downstairs, a colleague spoke to me, I broke down badly, he went to get the HR girl and she took me to a room and I said I felt I was picked on badly and needed to go home.

I have been signed off for stress/depression. My husband has told me he doesn't want me to go back. I am sick with worry, have lost weight, knots in my stomach, not eating, really bad anxiety. I need some HR advice and other please..thank you

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fastdaytears · 09/10/2016 21:24

No I don't! But my PA does a lot of drafting, knows all my clients, etc etc

joesy43 · 09/10/2016 21:28

Ah well I used to do that a lot and loved it but now not much typing up/changing documents at all..probably 20% now..more email queries, booking, bills, expenses, scanning...I have almost no contact with clients at all

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JustHereForThePooStories · 09/10/2016 21:31

I think you need to have a look at your attitude and see how you come across. If referring to a working HR professional as a "girl" is any indication, I'd wager you definitely come across as difficult.

flopsypopsymopsy · 09/10/2016 21:32

No, I don't agree either and you need to start reframing yourself and your values in a more positive light.

How long are you signed off for?

I would go back and get on with it with my head down. Keep a low profile. Do your very best to come across as making a concerted effort to get on with things. Have a meeting with your boss and make it clear that you are on side/want to improve how you work. It will rankle a bit but will smooth for however long you need to find a new job.

Meanwhile..... Sort out your CV and start looking/applying. Look at Reed, Indeed, SecsintheCity, Guardian Jobs, etc. etc.

You are very down at the moment but you need to pick yourself, dust yourself off and get on with it. The only person who is going to get yourself out of this situation is you. Think lion not mouse.

joesy43 · 09/10/2016 21:47

My attitude is fine thank you...calling girl/lady/woman..or do you mean referring to as HR professional..I have never been difficult in my whole working life but thank you for your unhelpful comment

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joesy43 · 09/10/2016 22:00

fastdaytears how do you think I should approach this if I return? If it were you, ie the boss what would you expect? Should I first see if changing depts is an option? If the answer is no what would their reaction be? Do I say I have felt overwhelmed for a while due to working p/t and the workload increasing/likely to increase and I could do with some support? Do I ask to speak to HR to explain this before I would return. Do I ask if the boss feels that things have changed due to the HR incident and how he would like to move forward if he feels he can?

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joesy43 · 09/10/2016 22:02

flopsypopsymopsy thank you for your advice

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SuperFlyHigh · 09/10/2016 22:04

Just wanted to say OP, if you want to stay in legal field as PA in the city there are jobs out there! In fact I've never known more legal agencies spring up! How about being a PA in another field? I personally am looking to switch industry back to architecture (worked there 7 years) as I find solicitors a difficult bureaucratic bunch on the whole.

I work in the same field as you, legal PA/sec have done for almost 7 years. Interesting but challenging. Ok if you like the 9-5 boring jobs, but if you dare challenge petty office rules etc people turn against you as you've seen.

A previous colleague of mine having been at our firm as senior PA (litigation and PI work) for 8 years transferred to a new job in commercial conveyancing at a top Fleet Street firm paying far more... Though she had not done conveyancing for 8 years or so. You should be able to switch if you want to.

Your confidence does sound eroded but just register with some agencies (pm me if you want details otherwise secsinthecity have them all etc) and get out and interview!

Good luck.

SuperFlyHigh · 09/10/2016 22:06

Oh p/t scrap some of my advice!

Hope things get better for you anyway.

joesy43 · 09/10/2016 22:12

Tbh Superflyhigh I would love to get away from legal altogether and in another field I probably wouldn't know myself and be much happier. I find a large global firm all politics and quite toxic. I am registering with local agencies but they don't seem to have much and they are only looking legal.

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EnlightenedOwl · 09/10/2016 22:13

I work in the same field as you, legal PA, litigation is the area I work in. The bit about reading out the email is as you know a complete "no."

I have glossed over some of the posts, sorry. I picked up on the WIP reports. What do you do with them? Do you just print them and give them to your boss? I print them, he has a copy I have a copy. With mine I use them to sort out client balances sort out any files that can be archived, check all files due for billing have been billed. Etc. I think in this sort of role you need to be as pro-active as you can especially when sorting out travel arrangements.

flopsypopsymopsy · 09/10/2016 22:13

How do you feel about it all? Have you felt overloaded and overworked (a common problem!!!)? How do you feel about changing departments? Do you feel excited and/or relieved? Or do you feel dread?

I have a PA friend who has weathered the storm through an incredibly difficult time at work. She has put up with all sorts of unfair behaviour but has stuck with it as she is looking for another job/cannot leave without something else to go to. I really admire her but I would have been long gone to be honest.

Unfortunately, I think once things start to go wrong it is quite difficult to claw it back even if you change departments. IME companies do not have time for staff with problems. I'm not saying that's right it's just that sometimes you are better off starting with a clean slate.

You said earlier that this situation had been a steady chipping away so the signs have been there for a while but you have just chosen to ignore them. What happens if you move departments and have an equally challenging team?

joesy43 · 09/10/2016 22:14

I would consider full time as p/t seems to be unheard of

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flopsypopsymopsy · 09/10/2016 22:17

Agree that a change of industry would be good. What interests you? Maybe use that as a starting point.

Don't feel down about all this. You may soon have a nice shiny new job!

joesy43 · 09/10/2016 22:24

Well I print a report of all opened matters for that fee earner and hand to them. They look at this and tell me what they want billed. Even if there is a balance it may not be billed that month. I am sometimes asked to run a time report for one matter so they can see the narratives and what work is on it. I leave this back but how should I follow that up? What do you mean by sort out client balances? I was also told I should be checking for write offs but it is not up to me to do write offs other than the obvious ones like do not bill or non chargeable?

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joesy43 · 09/10/2016 22:32

flopsymopsypopsy I feel a new dept would be a good thing but I would feel embarrassed as to what others would be saying about it. I think for a part timer I have done well considering no-one picks up for me when I'm not there and playing catch up is difficult at times. I would say the team could well do with someone being there every day but I have struggled alone til now. I would say that I feel there are other less demanding teams with much better managers of people

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SuperFlyHigh · 09/10/2016 22:50

Could you retrain Op because I'm doing an industry package course for architects which wasn't needed when I was there before!

i agree lots of legal firms are very toxic and rife with gossip, also everyone wants to get ahead more or probe their point! Right now I have had run ins with a 1 year conveyancing sol who's sexist and verging on racist (towards me!) and his mate, a paralegal is more measured but still desperate to get ahead. I honestly can't wait to leave!

You could quite easily get private pa work maybe family office but I can pm you details if you like.

Best thing is work out a get out plan! You're employable as you've worked for 27 years! I've worked similar time in pa/admin roles.

The "reading the email" was yes a "no" but trust me I've had run ins wth a senior solicitor at my place, so hierarchical and the women can be the worst characters!

joesy43 · 09/10/2016 23:03

What is private pa work? I would be interested yes but I am not London/England based so that may be difficult.

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flopsypopsymopsy · 09/10/2016 23:09

I think that the problem with staying with the company/changing department is that it could potentially hang over you like a black cloud. It can be hard to shake off a problem patch.

With a new job/company you can reinvent yourself. You say you are quite quiet and unassuming. I wouldn't say that is the necessarily the right person for a legal firm as I would imagine that it would require a more robust personality. Engineering, IT and healthcare are all a bit more forgiving on softer personalities. Yes, you heard that right engineering (the boffin type of engineering not car servicing) and IT!

joesy43 · 09/10/2016 23:40

You would be right..most people who have left and not come back have been this type. A different field is what is needed. I just need to make a decision and atm I don't know what that is

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flopsypopsymopsy · 10/10/2016 08:21

I would just get your CV sorted, start looking and see what comes up. There is a whole wide world out there. You must be very bored after 27 years!

SuperFlyHigh · 10/10/2016 12:41

OP - Private PA work is mostly work to private individuals - depends which city you're based in...

flopsy depends on the law firm - if you are quiet and unassuming and get on with your work it's seen as better, if like me you're louder etc then it's ok but...

I agree that engineering, IT and healthcare are more forgiving - also try architects which is where I used to work. apply directly. healthcare and architecture may suit you as they require specialist terminology as does legal.

flopsypopsymopsy · 10/10/2016 13:42

Public sector or Civil Service might be better for you too. It depends on what you want/need to earn.

flopsypopsymopsy · 10/10/2016 13:49

Super, I don't mean you need to be louder just more robust. I'm quite quiet but I won't take any shit. This slightly throws people who initially think I am quite unassuming too.... Wink

SuperFlyHigh · 10/10/2016 14:03

flopsy robust to me means putting up with petty lawyers... Ok day to day but try to control things in workplace which are nothing to do with work!