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Would you leave a £250,000pa job to be a SAHM?

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misosoup · 27/10/2006 13:43

Ok, I've changed my name for this, not quite sure why....

I really enjoy my job and it is pretty well paid but since I returned to work after having DD2 I have been thinking a lot about this.

I can afford not to work, dh's income is nothing like mine but still above average although it will clearly be a huge drop in our standard of living.

And I miss the kids do much during the day... I spend 2 hours per day with them plus weekends. There is no way I can cut my hours any more and part-time is out of the question.

But I have worked so hard to get here, against all odds. I don't want to throw it all away.

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franca70 · 03/11/2006 10:32

I wish I had gunpowder's dialectics.

FloatingHeadOnTheMed · 03/11/2006 10:56

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GunpowderTreasonAndSNOT · 03/11/2006 10:57

Have I upset you franca? Sorry

EmsTomot · 03/11/2006 10:58

I am so sorry I missed out on this thread last night!!!! Wow, it got interesting! I would just like to put smiles out for both SAHM's and us that work - to be honest, I think we should be proud of our choices whatever they are - I don't know anyone else without children who work harder than me - at least they can switch off at 5.30pm, I still have the night shift to do!!!!!!!!
If you stay at home, it is not easy going - I go to work for a break as well as the money!

fennel · 03/11/2006 11:00

gunpowdersnot (and franca) - stop getting all upset and come and join me and pageturner at the quays for lunch

GunpowderTreasonAndSNOT · 03/11/2006 11:02

OK

Will email you now.....

franca70 · 03/11/2006 11:29

No greeny (can I call you greeny?) why?
no, I just found your 10.09 post perfect, and I wished I was able to write something along those lines. as you probably know, I'm not english, and that sometimes doesn't make for very eloquent contributions.
I even misunderstood one of your posts earlier about selfishness sorry, again!

GunpowderTreasonAndSNOT · 03/11/2006 11:31

Oh good, I am glad I haven't put my foot in it!

Yes, do call me greeny! I actually prefer it to my RL name

Am meeting fennel and pageturner for lunch, if you are free......

franca70 · 03/11/2006 11:36

I'd love to meet you all (always ready for lunches), but today the children are at nursery and I have 4 pages to go before I finish this bl** translation (for which it'll be a miracle if I get paid), and after that I'll be FREE, and I'll be more than happy to meet you in RL.
Have a great time on the quays, thanks for inviting me along.

GunpowderTreasonAndSNOT · 03/11/2006 11:36

Look forward to meeting you soon then!!

franca70 · 03/11/2006 11:41

me too

franca70 · 03/11/2006 11:53

thanks fennel!

Judy1234 · 03/11/2006 11:56

I certainly didn't intend to make any SAHM feel bad. I was trying to be reasonably balanced. You rarely see in the press the advantages to chidlren of mother's working and all the time you see biased articles about who unless mother is there 2/47 the child is damaged so may be it just is that the SAHM have got used to basking in warm propaganda that makes them feel good and find it upsetting to see the things we see as working mothers all the time in the press week in week out against our own choices. Anyway those points I made like children might benefit from more money, happier mothers, alternative care being fine, being an example of being economically active to our daughters in a non sexist household etc were not posted to upset anyone.

I breastfed all children up to a year as well as worked. I didn't cosleep because children wake me at night but ask any self respecting baby what she wants and it's to be in immediate contact with those breasts whenever she has the chance day or night which is I'm sure why my sister followed the continuum concept and co-slept for 5 years. We all make decisoins and even SAHM usually don't have their children with them all the time.

In answer to poppett's point I do think you can recreate a situation where children are there involved in a home either because you have a nanny there who also does domestic things, takes them out shopping etc or a childminder, assuming they need those things anyway.

I don't get annoyed by different views or even anything mildly abusive probably because 3 of my children are just about grown up now so I can see how things have turned out fine.

In some ways it's a bit of egotistical view that only a mother can care best for a child as if we're perfect and no one else could be better. May be no one else even a father can love a child in the same way but that doesn't mean the care will always be best, particularly from those of us who don't like being aruond small chidlren for long periods.

muma3 · 03/11/2006 12:03

isnt feeling guilty about our choices for our children and family life just part of our "motherly instinct?" always worring whether we are doing the right thing/spending enough time woth them .

i think that wm's feel as though they want to give more to their family financialy (except those that enjoy it and do it for them )money wise etc

sahm's want to give time and care to their familys

neither one is wrong imo

wm's miss out on some time with dc etc
sahm miss out on the financial benefits.

we all want whats best tbh. we all lose in one way or another. we all gain in different ways and so do the children.
cant we just all agree that we are just making the best of circumstances and all fighting for happy children/familys but in different ways??

or is that too easy

and sahm wants to

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Roselind · 03/11/2006 13:07

I am very struck by how this thread and similar debates are always around very small kids. I think mothers of older kids have probably given up under the strain so don't contribute!
I worked full time till my oldest was 5 and then in gradually diminishing amounts of part time till now when I am a SAHM - or a full time student depending on how you look at things.( I am doing a degree - interestingly other mums I have met through studying also tended to have school age kids)
I have 3 kids and honestly if you want to carry on with a career stick at when they are small or have one child only. As they get older it gets more and more difficult to work - they want and need YOU not a nanny, grandma or anyone else - YOU are the person they want to talk to about their day at school, YOU have to keep up to speed with what they do at school, who their friends are, where they need to be when, where their stuff is.........I have NO free time in term time between end of school and about 7pm as between supervising homework and taking them to activities/friends. Other half helps when he can but someone has to earn some money.....
It is much more difficult to organise suitable child care once they are at school and secondary schools may have no after school facilities - so your 11/12 year old has to find their way home alone or else you have to stay home for them.
Combining work and having babies/toddlers is a doddle by comparison. I am just grateful that as the children have got older our family income has increased enough that I do not have to work anymore (and actually I would love to be at work many days).
Please don't assume if you become SAHM now for 5 years it is only a question of whether anyone will employ you once you decide to return to work.....

tiggyhop · 03/11/2006 13:40

This is a brilliant thread and a superb debate and I want to thank Xenia for her thought provoking comments (sincerely meant).

Writing this from my desk at my full time job. Am also a full time mother to 3 full time children aged 3, 2 and 1. I wasn't aware that motherhood came with a part time option.

Am also about to leave extremely highly paid job to support DH's career move to the States for 2 years as it is best for our family unit (I hope).

It's not best for my career, but it will mean I spend more time with the children (benefit for me, not them) and I fully intend to resume work if I can find it. We shall see.

riab · 03/11/2006 13:43

" have the opinion that if you have kids then you have a duty to care for them"

and poppets post about why have children if you don't want them:

okay firstly its not just me who had this child - as I've said before several times its me and DH. So why should the debate /blame be all directed at me wanting to work?

Yes there are some things that DS prefers me to do cos i'm his mum. Just like my friends DS prefers his dad (SAHD) to do things cos he's his dad!

But there is no way i believe that in order for DS to grow up with any chance of happiness he has to have his mum (not his dad, uncle, granny, grandad, nanny, childminder, best friends mum,
adopted auntie) with him 24/7.

why have kids if you don't take 2 years off to be with them?
To answer for myself, i had no idea what the relaity of having a child would be like, all the books and sites like this were full of the 'its the most wonderful thing ever' type of comments that i believed them! I believed people who told me that babies slept through after 6 month,s I believed people who said it was great fun and relaly rewarding, I believed people who offered to help out.

Before havign Ds it also never occured to me that there woudl be this much hatred directed at me for chosing to work at least p/t after he was born. I grew up with a mum who worked and a dad who worked p/t so he was around for us alot. I grew up thinking that it was normal for dads as well as mums to pick up kids from shcool and cook tea. I led my adult life amongst people who belived that if a couple had a child it was equally usual for both parents to want to continue some level of paid employment as well as having childtime.I guess I was very lucky because i also grew up with and then had in my own life the types of jobs which i would say on my deathbed that
"I DO wish i'd spent more time in the office"

For me being a parent hasn't been rewarding, fulfilling or wonderful. If I had known this i wouldn't have got pregnant, but I'm not a seer, i didn't know how I would feel, i didn't know DS would suffer a bad Gastric attack and need night feeding til he was 15 months, I didn't know how much bitchyness i'd encounter amongst other women, I didn't know that people who I used to work with would stop talking to me or involving me because they htought I had nothing interesting to say any more. I didn't know i'd be severly depressed.
I didn't know that the work I did in communities and with teenagers would be so differnet to being a parent of a child under 5.

I do my best for DS right now cos after redundancy it makes financially more sense for me to finish retraining and be a SAHP but I miss work and I would go back again if the right job came up.

I choose at times to have DS looked after by other people because quite honestly other people can do as good if not better job than me of it! I'm not a good 'carer' type person and I don't enjoy it, other people do enjoy it and thats brilliant for him and me.

DH and me would love it to be more equal in terms of who stays at home right now but he earns more than me. But does anyone question his commitment to having children or suggest he shouldn't have had a child because he only sees him for 2 hrs a day plus weekend?

Xenia, i get your point about why women marry men who earn more. I think alot of people aren't prepared to admit that financial security is important to them when they are thinking about a family. I am! I doubt I would have married someone who wasn't reasoanbly financially secure, I made an effort to be secure myself, i owned my own house and was putting myself through uni p/t.
I actually earn the same as DH did when he was my age - there's a big age gap so I don't see it as a gender issue more a seniority issue!
(my reasons for choosing an older man are an entirely different post!)

riab · 03/11/2006 13:45

oh yes i'd just like to add to whoever posted that if you have paid employment you're nto a f/t mum or dad.
So how many hours a week do i need to be doing to qualify as a f/t mum please?

Even when I worked 37 hrs in paid employment I still did at least 50 hours with my son (while he was awake) each week, by my counting thats a second f/t job!

lazycow · 03/11/2006 13:47

Roselind

Thnks for that. I was aiming to start a post on this but got too busy yesterday. I currently work (was 3 days a week now it's 4) - ds is 2 years old.

My plan has always been to work for the first 4-5 years and save like mad to put us in a postion for me to give up when he is 5 years old and starts school. I am aiming to use some of the time to re-train (go back to school) and the rest to be there for ds. I've never understood the 'stay home when they are little' argument.

My plan is to be homne for the period ds can remember when he is grown up. I did have 10 months maternity leave but will now continue to work until ds starts school.

Uwila · 03/11/2006 14:00

Nice post, Riab.

mozhe · 03/11/2006 14:06

it really gladdens my heart to see more posters taking up the ' beloved ' theme of SAHMS, ' I'm a fulltime mother - you're not '....It is something that makes me very angry, because unless the courts have removed your parental rights,( or in the case of some parents, mainly fathers, you never took them up in the first place...),EVERYONE is a full time parent. On average I work around a 70 hour week,dh slightly more,but i think about and do things for my children,( like expressing my breastmilk x4 a day for my 6 month twins...yes, shocking isn't it but the children of WOHMs are just as likely to be breastfed !),all through my working day.I also speak to the older three,(DSSx3 aged 3,4 & 5.5 ), by phone/webcam several times a day. Alongside my fulltime parenting I work as a hospital consultant, and i know many, many people who lead similar daily lives.
It is about the quallity of parenting/caregiving,( I am lucky enough to be able to employ a fantastic nanny and an aupair ), and the attachment that is important NOT the amount of hours clocked up.And yes being a capable, economically active, independant woman will be important to my daughters as they grow up.
And anyone who doesn't think ' overparenting ' exists, and can't be as damaging as ' underparenting' is deluding themselves.

lazycow · 03/11/2006 14:09

Absolutely riab - couldn't have put it better myself. I also don't enjoy taking care of very small children 24/7 myself (though I do adore ds) One more good reason to spend that time ensuring I can afford to take time off later.

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Enid · 03/11/2006 14:44

lol @ webcam

sorry feel free to ignore me am in silly mood today

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