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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thrown off Hinge

139 replies

Justwrong68 · 09/09/2023 12:49

I saw a trans woman on my hinge feed with a photo of them holding a "terf tears" cup. I messaged that they should ditch the offensive cup if they want a date. The convo started and I said I wasn't trans exclusionary or radical but didn't think it possible to change sex. I was subjected to the usual aggression and condescension plus links to books about trans journeys. I said I didn't need education on the subject but I sincerely wish you well. This morning I couldn't log in, my account was shut down and was given a link to appeal.
I've emailed to say I've been removed without warning or notification.
They're allowed to kick off whoever they like I assume but is there anything I can do? Surely people on Hinge have varying beliefs...

OP posts:
WunWun · 09/09/2023 19:20

Jaxhog · 09/09/2023 13:31

Surely the response to a post you don't agree with is to present a counterargument? Not to flounce off and get the poster banned!

Hinge is a dating app

Soontobe60 · 09/09/2023 19:22

Ascendant15 · 09/09/2023 13:30

Sorry - the OP was being deliberately goady. Seems they are being here too with the number of posts about this event. She was excluded, I would assume, because she was going out of her way start a bunfight, and not for her beliefs. If you don't want to date someone on a dating site, don't contact them, and don't then start a deliberate argument with them.

And the TW wasn’t being goady? Of course they were!

WunWun · 09/09/2023 19:25

I'm actually permanently banned from Hinge, for something completely different. I appealed and they couldn't have cared less. So I'd say they can probably do what they want!

PrimitivePerson · 09/09/2023 19:27

Soontobe60 · 09/09/2023 19:22

And the TW wasn’t being goady? Of course they were!

Yes, they were, but rising to it played right into their hands.

Plus, people aren't on Hinge to debate with random strangers. They're there to get laid!

DarkDayforMN · 10/09/2023 05:46

You weren’t being transphobic and that person is a dick, but you shouldn’t message someone on a dating site unless you’re interested in them. Especially not an unstable aggressive man who makes the fact that they’d unhinged and aggressive obvious IN THE PHOTO.

I think you’re lucky the aggression limited itself to getting you banned. Undesirable men get very few messages on dating sites; they could have fixated on you because you are a source of female attention.

RavingStone · 10/09/2023 18:49

Can't believe you were called transphobic on a feminist forum for calling out a person using the slur "Terf". The inaccurate term is used as a tool for othering people -almost always women - in order to justify silencing and even incitement to violence. That is clearly way beyond a "difference of belief" so of course it needs calling out.

I'd have reported it rather than engaged, but that's because I'm a massive wimp. I admire you for attempting to engage though.

Pixiedust1234 · 10/09/2023 19:51

Can't believe you were called transphobic on a feminist forum for calling out a person using the slur "Terf".
I think most of us are saying it was the wrong platform for the debate. How would you like to get accosted in aldi for wearing a band or football t-shirt, or even a slogan like "Long Live the King!" You would fucking hate it, and if they didn't leave you alone because they wanted to debate your choice you would call the police for harassment, or ask the management to kick them out. This is no different. The platform is for dating not debate 🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 20:04

How would you like to get accosted in aldi for wearing a band or football t-shirt, or even a slogan like "Long Live the King!"

While I agree with you that it was not the best thing to do, that's not a fair analogy.

Pixiedust1234 · 10/09/2023 20:12

Why? One place is for food shopping, the other was for dating. Neither place is suitable for a debate such as this.

PrimitivePerson · 10/09/2023 20:12

Pixiedust1234 · 10/09/2023 19:51

Can't believe you were called transphobic on a feminist forum for calling out a person using the slur "Terf".
I think most of us are saying it was the wrong platform for the debate. How would you like to get accosted in aldi for wearing a band or football t-shirt, or even a slogan like "Long Live the King!" You would fucking hate it, and if they didn't leave you alone because they wanted to debate your choice you would call the police for harassment, or ask the management to kick them out. This is no different. The platform is for dating not debate 🙄

Absolutely. Context is everything here. I've seen plenty of people wearing slogan t-shirts in public with messages on them that at least some people will find offensive. Do I confront them? No, because someone antisocial enough to do that will probably also be antisocial enough to thump me if I do so.

Were they in the wrong? Possibly. Were you? Yes. I'm pretty certain there's conditions in the small print about what is and isn't acceptable on the site. You don't get to make snarky comments to people without consequences on that sort of platform.

PrimitivePerson · 10/09/2023 20:13

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 20:04

How would you like to get accosted in aldi for wearing a band or football t-shirt, or even a slogan like "Long Live the King!"

While I agree with you that it was not the best thing to do, that's not a fair analogy.

It's actually a very good analogy.

Justwrong68 · 10/09/2023 21:42

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/09/2023 16:52

You were unnecessarily confrontational and transphobic. You deserved to be banned.

Explain transphobic

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Flickersy · 10/09/2023 21:47

You started a fight and you came off worse - it's your own doing I'm afraid. Don't message people on dating apps just to scold them and have a go.

MargotBamborough · 10/09/2023 21:49

It's obviously not transphobic to object to the word TERF or to say that humans can't change sex.

But deliberately making contact with and antagonising someone who is clearly spoiling for a fight is a silly thing to so in any context.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 22:13

It's actually a very good analogy.

No it isn't. It would be a good analogy if the hypothetical T shirt said "fuck trans people" or similar. But it isn't a good analogy without the attacking of a specific group of people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 22:19

Why? One place is for food shopping, the other was for dating. Neither place is suitable for a debate such as this.

It's not about the debate, it's about the abusive misogynistic message.

PrimitivePerson · 10/09/2023 22:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 22:13

It's actually a very good analogy.

No it isn't. It would be a good analogy if the hypothetical T shirt said "fuck trans people" or similar. But it isn't a good analogy without the attacking of a specific group of people.

The hypothetical message in either the supermarket or the dating app isn't the point.

The point is that you wouldn't randomly confront a stranger in the street over their beliefs, so you shouldn't do it in a similar way online either.

Certain things in certain places aren't up for debate. There's ways of dealing with them, as we've said.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 22:21

As I see it, the correct analogy would be a t shirt that attacked trans people as a group, or another specific group of people. It's abuse.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 22:23

I'm not saying that it was a good thing to do, I was pointing out that a band t shirt or a positive slogan that didn't actually personally attack anyone else wasn't a good analogy.

saraclara · 10/09/2023 22:25

Calistano · 09/09/2023 13:33

Tbh transphobic gets chucked about a lot, this is actually transphobic though. Get a grip.

Yep. That was an entirely transphobi act on your part, so of course you were banned.

Also this
If you don't want to date someone on a dating site, don't contact them, and don't then start a deliberate argument with them.

Maddy70 · 10/09/2023 22:28

Justwrong68 · 09/09/2023 13:48

I am facetious, but I was clear I'd like a discussion in my message, I was polite whilst keen for a chat about it. I kind of regret it now but that's not the point. I dipped my toe in and now the reality of cancel culture has hit me. I've used their email facility for "appealing", so I'll see what they say.
Unless you've been hiding under a rock you'll know the issue here is that denying the ideology is punishable, the action of which doesn't adhere to a democratic system.

How entitled are you ? Someone is identifying as trans on a dating app and you want to take issue with it because you want a discussion. They clearly don't.

Just move on they are right to remove you

dimorphism · 10/09/2023 22:28

DarkDayforMN · 10/09/2023 05:46

You weren’t being transphobic and that person is a dick, but you shouldn’t message someone on a dating site unless you’re interested in them. Especially not an unstable aggressive man who makes the fact that they’d unhinged and aggressive obvious IN THE PHOTO.

I think you’re lucky the aggression limited itself to getting you banned. Undesirable men get very few messages on dating sites; they could have fixated on you because you are a source of female attention.

Yes, this.

When someone tells you who they are etc....

Having said this I'm very unimpressed that Hinge allowed a photo like that. If the cup had said 'Jewish tears' or 'black tears' it absolutely wouldn't have stayed up I'm sure. However, it indicates the type of site it is (where allusion to violence against women is ok) so I'd personally just use a different site.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2023 22:29

Having said this I'm very unimpressed that Hinge allowed a photo like that. If the cup had said 'Jewish tears' or 'black tears' it absolutely wouldn't have stayed up I'm sure. However, it indicates the type of site it is (where allusion to violence against women is ok) so I'd personally just use a different site.

This.

dimorphism · 10/09/2023 22:31

I'd spread the word too - it's not going to be a very successful dating site once all the women disappear once they realise it's populated and run by misogynists.

Or maybe it'll be successful as a dating site for men only, who knows.

WunWun · 10/09/2023 22:48

I don't think they check every single photo. The best thing the OP could have done would be to report the picture without contacting them