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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thrown off Hinge

139 replies

Justwrong68 · 09/09/2023 12:49

I saw a trans woman on my hinge feed with a photo of them holding a "terf tears" cup. I messaged that they should ditch the offensive cup if they want a date. The convo started and I said I wasn't trans exclusionary or radical but didn't think it possible to change sex. I was subjected to the usual aggression and condescension plus links to books about trans journeys. I said I didn't need education on the subject but I sincerely wish you well. This morning I couldn't log in, my account was shut down and was given a link to appeal.
I've emailed to say I've been removed without warning or notification.
They're allowed to kick off whoever they like I assume but is there anything I can do? Surely people on Hinge have varying beliefs...

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popebishop · 09/09/2023 16:52

greengobbledygook · 09/09/2023 13:55

Believing that people cannot change sex is trans exclusionary.

Not sure about that, trans people change gender identity, not sex. The whole definition of trans is that their sex and gender don't 'align' so if they changed sex they wouldn't be trans.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/09/2023 16:52

You were unnecessarily confrontational and transphobic. You deserved to be banned.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2023 17:06

How was she "transphobic"? Confrontational yes.

greengobbledygook · 09/09/2023 17:06

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2023 17:12

Please don't call women misogynistic slurs, especially on the feminist board.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/09/2023 17:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2023 17:06

How was she "transphobic"? Confrontational yes.

By deliberately targeting a trans person to be confrontation with because she knew they were trans.

PorcelinaV · 09/09/2023 17:51

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/09/2023 17:28

By deliberately targeting a trans person to be confrontation with because she knew they were trans.

But they weren't targeting them because they were trans, but because they were showing a photo that was attacking political opponents.

PrimitivePerson · 09/09/2023 18:01

PorcelinaV · 09/09/2023 17:51

But they weren't targeting them because they were trans, but because they were showing a photo that was attacking political opponents.

But it's not a political site, so it's irrelevant. You can guarantee the site is full of people with political opinions you disagree with. It's irrelevant. I'd never date a Tory, but I wouldn't feel a need to lay into someone who says they're a Tory on their dating profile. I'd just leave them alone.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2023 18:03

By deliberately targeting a trans person to be confrontation with because she knew they were trans.

No, rightly or wrongly she found their picture offensive.

outsurance · 09/09/2023 18:04

Why do you care if someone else gets a date or not?

PorcelinaV · 09/09/2023 18:07

PrimitivePerson · 09/09/2023 18:01

But it's not a political site, so it's irrelevant. You can guarantee the site is full of people with political opinions you disagree with. It's irrelevant. I'd never date a Tory, but I wouldn't feel a need to lay into someone who says they're a Tory on their dating profile. I'd just leave them alone.

That's fine.

But if someone is wearing a "Fuck Tories" shirt in a photo, and someone picks them up on it, they haven't been targeted merely for their left-wing position have they?

No, they have been targeted for rudely attacking political opponents.

Same as, no one was "targeted" here merely for being transgender.

MaPaSpa · 09/09/2023 18:09

But isn’t it weird to send that message to someone On a dating app? It’s not Twitter, if I decide I don’t like or want to date white people it’s still weird for me to find them on a dating app and tell them that?

Insommmmnia · 09/09/2023 18:17

*But if someone is wearing a "Fuck Tories" shirt in a photo, and someone picks them up on it, they haven't been targeted merely for their left-wing position have they?

No, they have been targeted for rudely attacking political opponents.*

But in this example if the person who thought the fuck tories shirt was inappropriate messaging the wearer to argue with them (debate/have a conversation call it what you will) about their beliefs they quite probably still would be banned from the platform.

As opposed to if they reported the image to Hinge in the first place

It's like MN banning persistent troll hunters. Yes the trolling is the inappropriate behaviour, but there is a process in place for dealing with that and if its not followed correctly in a way that is detrimental to other users then they can be banned

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2023 18:19

if I decide I don’t like or want to date white people it’s still weird for me to find them on a dating app and tell them that?

What if they were wearing a "black tears" t shirt? Would it be ok to confront them then? In your opinion? Or are all prejudiced t shirts fine?

PrimitivePerson · 09/09/2023 18:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2023 18:19

if I decide I don’t like or want to date white people it’s still weird for me to find them on a dating app and tell them that?

What if they were wearing a "black tears" t shirt? Would it be ok to confront them then? In your opinion? Or are all prejudiced t shirts fine?

You deal with stuff like this by reporting it through the appropriate channels.

PorcelinaV · 09/09/2023 18:21

Insommmmnia · 09/09/2023 18:17

*But if someone is wearing a "Fuck Tories" shirt in a photo, and someone picks them up on it, they haven't been targeted merely for their left-wing position have they?

No, they have been targeted for rudely attacking political opponents.*

But in this example if the person who thought the fuck tories shirt was inappropriate messaging the wearer to argue with them (debate/have a conversation call it what you will) about their beliefs they quite probably still would be banned from the platform.

As opposed to if they reported the image to Hinge in the first place

It's like MN banning persistent troll hunters. Yes the trolling is the inappropriate behaviour, but there is a process in place for dealing with that and if its not followed correctly in a way that is detrimental to other users then they can be banned

Maybe, but I was responding on the specific issue of whether someone was "transphobic".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2023 18:25

You deal with stuff like this by reporting it through the appropriate channels.

Yes, I agree that's what she should have done. I don't think what she did was completely beyond the pale though, just misguided. It was obvious that she would be the one penalised.

newhere24 · 09/09/2023 18:37

You verbally attacked somebody - I wonder why you got removed…..
Just ignore people you are not attracted to. Nobody forces you to date somebody you are not attracted to, but attacking others is generally frowned upon.

popebishop · 09/09/2023 18:55

newhere24 · 09/09/2023 18:37

You verbally attacked somebody - I wonder why you got removed…..
Just ignore people you are not attracted to. Nobody forces you to date somebody you are not attracted to, but attacking others is generally frowned upon.

? Which part was verbal?

newhere24 · 09/09/2023 18:59

@popebishop ”ditch the offensive cup if you want a date” - ok, its a written attack, but still an attack using language.

Snittle · 09/09/2023 19:01

Justwrong68 · 09/09/2023 13:25

because I should be able to confront anything I find offensive, i didn't have them chucked off...

No, I’m not sure Hinge does have to tolerate that. I’m also GC, but I would never seek someone out to tell them their beliefs are wrong unless they were inviting a debate. Do you also message anyone with a religious affiliation on the app to say they might have a wider pool of partners if they weren’t religious?

It’s probably best the other person is up front about their views, they clearly wouldn’t want to date a GC person (or at least a GC person whose not tolerant of their beliefs) and so the picture would have done the first triage of potential suitors for them…

AllOfThemWitches · 09/09/2023 19:11

You wanted a complete stranger to pay attention to you and your opinion. Why?

Pixiedust1234 · 09/09/2023 19:13

PorcelinaV · 09/09/2023 18:07

That's fine.

But if someone is wearing a "Fuck Tories" shirt in a photo, and someone picks them up on it, they haven't been targeted merely for their left-wing position have they?

No, they have been targeted for rudely attacking political opponents.

Same as, no one was "targeted" here merely for being transgender.

It's a dating site. It's not that deep. You either fancy them or you don't. There's no need to get into a debate over anything right away, you do that after a few dates if you find their political or environmental or religious are debate worthy.

PrimitivePerson · 09/09/2023 19:18

This all reminds me of when I used to be a hardcore Christian, and would try and save people on a regular basis. It's not really any different. Having a civilised discussion about contentious issues requires consent on both sides, and not just randomly attacking other people's beliefs out of context. That's precisely what's happened here, and I say that as someone who is becoming increasingly sympathetic to the concerns of GC people.

Trans people do have a right to just get on with stuff, and in this case I don't see what harm was being done with them being on the site. They're not deceiving anyone, making any unreasonable demands or otherwise bothering the OP. Sure, they might be crassly expressing a dodgy opinion, but as has been mentioned, there's ways of dealing with that.

I've been a martyr for my beliefs plenty of times in the past, but it's generally not worth it and usually achieves absolutely nothing. Learning when to speak out, and when to shut up, is a very valuable skill.

OnTheWayThere · 09/09/2023 19:19

Nah you went looking for trouble because you were hoping to get a reaction in order to post here for a well done and backslap. You should have simply reported the photo and blocked them.

Even if you had to say something, it shouldn't have been the smug 'ditch the offensive cup if you want a date'. Want a date with whom? You, a gender-critical person? or their fellow TRA, which could be why they had the cup in the first place to attract them. What makes you think the cup would prevent them from getting a date with others of the same viewpoint?

You could have sent a message about the cup, then reported and blocked but it seemed like you wanted a "robust debate" on a dating site. As you've witnessed, it gets you banned.

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