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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Needmoresleep · 16/04/2023 08:57

A few general points.

This is not a political issue. It is a societal one. Most everyone was caught napping when Stonewall added the T. Most of us thought Stonewall was a force for good, only to find it was using its influence to peddle something few people support.

It has become political because the views of some political parties are out of line with those of the general public. Rishi, to his credit, is not capitalising on this. Labour are digging their own hole. The very best outcome would be for Keir to think hard about the impact on our children, on women's sport, on academia and free speech etc, and offer to work with the Government to reverse the damage. Labour has huge influence on Unions, large swathes of Local Government and others. A societal approach is needed.

If you contradict people whose reality is different from your own, you are likely to cut off communication rather than achieve a constructive outcome. There is no quick fix in schools. The first step is probably to quietly roll back on affirmation only, review educational materials and outside trainers. Then to ensure that educators within schools are up to date with thinking including Cass findings (very much where we need Labour on side, we don't want gender to be perceived as a political issue in staff rooms). Then agreement that kids caught up in this are supported but nudged in the right direction. Is there something behind the distress that might be addressed like an autism diagnosis, social services involvement because of suspected abuse at home, a chat with parents to understand where they are coming from. Even a favourite teacher encouraging them to join a club, and leave the LGBT one.

Headteachers will need guidance on what the Government expects as the direction of travel and the promise of support should they end up clashing with their staff room activist.

It would be so much easier if Keir could recognise the scale of the problem and the importance of us all working together to protect our children.

noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 09:08

HagoftheNorth · 16/04/2023 08:08

For reference, the equality act requires that people who have had or are undergoing gender reassignment cannot be discriminated against compared with other people of their natal sex, so I’m not sure the equality act has much to help you Giraffe as you seem to be suggesting you specifically treat such children differently to how you treat ‘typical’ children of the same sex.

Because the Equality Act protects those with the protected characteristics from discrimination. And one of those forms of discrimination is harassment.

And because if you look at the Equality and Human Rights Commission page, the example that they use for harassment of someone with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, is deliberate and repeated misgendering, despite being asked not to.

It also says that organisations need to do everything that they can to prevent this harassment.

So what do you think a headteacher reading that page would feel that their duty was, towards children with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment?

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/gender-reassignment-discrimination

Rishi Sunak said…
Roadtrips · 16/04/2023 09:13

dimorphism · 15/04/2023 20:28

I do think there's enough law and guidance about the protection and need for single sex spaces and adequate safeguarding to be quite clear that using preferred pronouns and creating mixed sex spaces is wrong and a breach of existing guidance and law. As is, on safeguarding grounds, excluding parents from information about their children.

I get why teachers want extra 'gender' guidance but actually, if you piece it all together, it's quite clear.

Activist groups have been quite effective in gaslighting and brainwashing teachers, which I'm reluctantly impressed by given that teachers should be able to think critically. However, there's really enough information out there now and guidance for teachers to behave according to their role and position not least in terms of safeguarding.

The two teachers in the threads I linked to are doing it.

Teachers weren't doing their job properly. Obviously the exception of SSA.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11978023/Schools-tell-parents-children-start-using-different-gender-identity.html

Roadtrips · 16/04/2023 09:16

HagoftheNorth · 15/04/2023 21:35

Herc, if you have raised concerns and been instructed by you SLT, then imo it is their responsibility not yours. However, if you’re complicit and don’t raise the issues, and later Bertha, having taken drugs goes back to being Billy, but having to live with a permanently damaged body….. sorry, but yes I do feel, as a professional, that you would carry some responsibility for that.

Cass makes it clear that social transitioning is not a neutral act. Professionals who socially transition children need to take that seriously. If you believe you don’t have the (probably medical) qualifications to make that decision, then you really shouldn’t.

They can't remove parental responsibility without a court order.

I hope there are prosecutions, they know safeguarding etc and they have gone beyond the pail.

Roadtrips · 16/04/2023 09:18

Hercisback · 15/04/2023 21:42

To my knowledge, none of the transitioning children I teach are taking drugs, they're changing names and pronouns.

Why would it not be the parents responsibility? Or the doctor who prescribed the drugs?

I find it quite an extreme viewpoint that I have any responsibility here for acting under instructions from parents and doctors.

Or are you talking about cases where parents aren't aware? In which case I refer back to previous posts of calls for clear nationwide guidance.

Parents name the child not a random teacher, otherwise there wouldn't be a month post birth to get a birth certificate

noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 09:26

Roadtrips · 16/04/2023 09:18

Parents name the child not a random teacher, otherwise there wouldn't be a month post birth to get a birth certificate

Yes, the parent tells the school to change the child's name. It changes on the register, the teacher starts using the new name for the child.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 16/04/2023 09:43

A name change isn’t a gender change though.

Schools absolutely should not change the name of a child under 16 without the parent making the request. It’s a breach of parental responsibility.

Same with social transition, which is a ‘psychosocial intervention’.

https://www.gov.uk/parental-rights-responsibilities

Rishi Sunak said…
LlynTegid · 16/04/2023 09:57

The Prime Minister promised guidance before the start of term- so will it be published today?

Incidentally on the name change, did it apply to Gideon Oliver Osbourne when he decided to be known as George?

noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 10:03

The article says it'll be published in draft form, for consultation before May half term.

Which for the DfE means 5pm on the Friday just before we break up.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 16/04/2023 11:31

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 17:02

need to know that by using ‘preferred pronouns’ and ‘trans’ names, they are engaging in social transition

So now we are expected to not use preferred names either? Upthread someone was saying that was fine, it was pronouns that were objectionable.

Like I said, interesting that there's no coherent position here.

I said this before, we are not a hive mind.

If a assembly is not such a great idea you come up with something else eh. The assembly idea was one poster, on one thread.

Or just wait til the government get their finger out there arse and publish the guidance.

noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 11:34

According to the Times, the guidance will not be telling schools not to socially transition pupils, so there will be no need for any whole school assemblies on the matter.

EndIessTea · 16/04/2023 11:35

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noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 11:38

It doesn't look like the Tory government agrees with you.

EndIessTea · 16/04/2023 11:40

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MarshaBradyo · 16/04/2023 11:42

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On the other thread a poster talks about a school that doesn’t allow secrecy from parents

It’s not much, which shows how captured some parts of society are by gender ideology, but more pressure needed to at least get that (and more in time)

noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 11:45

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More personal attacks.

I'm not harming kids.

EndIessTea · 16/04/2023 11:45

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noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 11:47

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Gosh, but Rishi said that women don't have penises.

MarshaBradyo · 16/04/2023 11:47

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It sounds too weak to me.

More pressure needed. It can just be feedback to schools or whatever, we can keep going

Labour would be worse as they can’t even talk about it, but this appears too soft

noblegiraffe · 16/04/2023 11:48

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Again, not sure exactly what you think is going on in my classroom.

EndIessTea · 16/04/2023 11:48

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MarshaBradyo · 16/04/2023 11:49

Those who don’t vote Labour (apparently), nor Tory who do you vote for and think has it right?