Recommend me a book!

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Right, reading these boards recently has given me a bit of a kick up the arse on my feminist principles. I've done a bit of 'light' reading in the area (think The Beauty Myth as a teenager) but think I need something a bit more serious without being so weighty I never pick it up. I'd rather have something published in, say, the last 15 years than any of the 'classics'.

Any ideas?

"However those two positions do not tie in. Either trans women are exactly the same as other women, in which case why not join in with mainstream feminism and be done with it"

FFS!!! Black feminism, liberal feminism, radical feminism, lesbian feminism, socialist feminism, second wave feminism, third wave feminism, ecofeminism, separatist feminism etc. etc.

There is no such thing as 'mainstream' feminism. That's such a 101 fact.

i am happy to include the general belief that people should be accepted whoever they are, whatever they look like, free of sexism, racism, gender constraint, etc etc and so on.

what I am not prepared to do is be told that a load of stuff that I care about due to my experience of growing up as a female is unimportant, but someone who grew up as a man.

Where is the discussion about the plight of women in places where rape is used as a weapon of war? About yuong girls being married off? About FGM? About access to contraception? About regimes that oppress women and treat them as chattels? About lack of ante natal and maternity care around the world - about fistula? About the blatent and revolting sexist attitudes around the world resulting in the death and disablement and harm of thousands and thousands of women around the world every day? Don't these things deserve a mention?

"If you're happy to see another feminist being told they have bile for a soul that they need help, that they are wicked and that someone wouldn't piss on them when they were on fire, and not comment on that kind of abusive behaviour, but just let it stand, I'm not really sure whether I should stay here"

Those are mild compared with the hate speech you have been indulging in, and whipping up, during the last two weeks on this thread dittany.

"Do you know what I've done to deserve these attacks - stand up for Germaine Greer, say that it's not possible to turn a man into a woman, and say that it is abusive to interfere with children's hormones and block them before they are even out of puberty and are fully developed"

Utter bollocks dittany. You can't do what you have done here the last two weeks and then turn on the tears and say woe is me. It doesn't wash.

What hate speech?

That being a woman has more to it than "thinking like a woman" whatever that means

Abd experssing concern about tampering with the endocrine systems of children who are not fully grown

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Hardly heinous crimes.

Dittany don't you ever report attacks yourself? Other people do it all the time.

Oh, and btw, I can't be sexist to you as according your doctrine only men can be sexist to women. Hoisted by your own rotten petard dittany.

'It is not hateful to say that it's not possible to turn a man into a woman.'

And as you have been informed many times through comments and links - that isn't what happens when a transsexual transitions. I don't believe you are stupid so the only alternative is that you deserve the descriptions.

This thread has been very disturbing TBH.

People on here seem to be dead set on jumping on things and not really engaging with anyone. Well there were some people earlier but they've gone now.

I find it sad to think that my feminist activity, which I believe helps everyone, is seen as inherently wrong and hateful and all of that. The trans feminist ideas seem to be very narrow, and posts on here seem very dismissive of the concerns of non trans women, saying at the same time that these same people should be pulling all the stops out for trans women.

I would rather help a load of women with fistula in ethiopia than your friends earwig. You have your prioirities and I have mine. I will not change my priorities because you come and shout on the internet. Feel free to continue with your efforts to help trans women. Although I think that this thread has alienated quite a lot of potential allies to your cause TBH.

Really am off to bed now. night.

Lol dittany, lol.

It's part of being a normal human being dittany. Universal human rights.