"By dittany Fri 09-Jul-10 17:26:03
"If the law see them as women/female, who are these feminist to judge? Or are they above the law?"
Gee there's nothing like getting patriarchal insititutions like the law on your side to support another sexist misogynistic insititution like trans. Do you really think that feminists ought to have respect for patriachal law, which has done nothing for women, and has in many cases actively oppressed us? Such a weak argument.
I'd also like to point out that it's very culturally masculine for people to be making these long bombastic posts trying to teach women the error of our ways. The penis is still very much in evidence."
My God! "misogynistic insititution like trans"... Are trying to argue that trans is misogynitistically inspired? Are you also claiming that the patriarchal law courts are more discriminatory against 'women' rather than transwomen?... Because it too is created in the male image? Any sane advocate of the trans condition could find no words to argue with such alien paranoia! And then the prophetical dittany sums her brief verbal ejaculation with the put down - 'such a weak argument'... Quite.
Then the bit that confirms that she reads from the feminist only bible.. (mind you I must admit I understand the context of this forum as a feminist literature discussion corner)... the culturally Masculine Bombastic, Ain't He Fantastic sermon from the unholy representation of the phallus... namely that of the long pompous post... or imagine the Pompopotomus if man were a creature that woman had cast in his projected egotistical image! Long posts are nothing to do with teaching women the error of their ways... and as a man I am quite hurt by that... Can't you understand that it's in our make-up to ramble on! Can't you forgive us things like losing our keys... that we can't look for things properly because we evolved as hunter gatherers and when searching we scan... ... just in case something attacks... always alert! Forgive us these things and let me stand as an equal on this forum and afford me the respect that you demand of my kind... I'll try and keep the next one snappy... honest.
"The penis is still very much in evidence."... fair do's... I've no argument with you on that one. That's surely a positive we can build on as we seek to learn from each other...
Look, from what I can see, the argument is that some of you feel that a transwoman has no right to call herself a woman... and I guess that means cannot or should not be referred to in the female pronoun... eg. herself. You think that a transwomans demand for equality with other women muddy the waters around women getting equality with men... that it is a mysoginistic attempt to steal equality from woman by foisting on them some 'half-breed' women? ... ...Do you not understand how offensive this is? How damaging it is to have a group of people in society saying to you that because you have a biological difficulty, "you must be some attempt to undermine our hardcore feminist agenda"? You blame them for stirring up the waters as to deprive you of equality... and by doing so you condemn them to a status below human...
'Let them get their own rights, we're fighting here for ours, let man sort out his problem' is your cry it appears. Trans people in every culture have it rough, big time, and the shame of it is that even in the west where at least many women can live free happy lives, trans people are unable, due to ignorance and fear stirred up by people who refuse to look at them as human, but instead as a joke or a plot...
I suggest to you that it is not only you the hardcore feminist brigade that discriminate against transgendered people, but also the 'misogynistic' court system, religious groups, Daily Mail readers et al. I argue that it is you who are muddying the waters for the rights of transgendered people to gain the equalities that you as a woman can take for granted in the UK. Transgendered human beings don't need to ask your opinion on whether they can call themselves 'men' or 'women'... even when oppressed peoples are forbidden to be recognized, they still know what they are... you should know that...
Evolution of all species, including humans... or, if you'll forgive my masculine slip, 'man'... and the evolution of society has created a world for us. These people are now seeing that human beings can have freedoms and live as themselves, within a gender that they feel... that they are, as nuture defined... but is betrayed by their own body... There are male and female... but we are all a mix... there is a interactive exhibit apparently in the Science Museum in London called "What Sex Are You?" or something like that... I haven't tried it but from what i know, it demonstrates how male or female you are from questions... Science is telling us that we have these anomolies, as all life on the planet does, and that it is up to the person themselves to define where in society they want to stand... and be afforded those rights...