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Trans identifying people gaslight their parents - a heartbreaking read.

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Soontobe60 · 28/10/2026 06:58

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This broke my heart to read. The impact a child who chooses to declare themselves the opposite sex has on their mother in particular is brutal. I cannot imagine a world where my children would demand that I change my own history to bow to their indoctrination.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2026 18:02

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Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 18:03

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Can’t work out which view point you have on the issue. Just giving us all a lecture on our behaviour

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:07

Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 17:43

How old is he now @TransParentlyAnnoyed ?

  1. At uni. Still vulnerable, but survived school.

Lots of times I thought he wouldn't. It's all down to him that he has his current life, but oh god the price he's paid for fighting through.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:10

Soontobe60 · 28/10/2026 17:34

At what point did you decide not to tell your DC that it was impossible to change their sex?

Child abuse isn't in me, I'm proud to say.

If I hadn't supported him, he would still be trans. I know that from seeing what he went through.

I wonder if parents who don't, realise that they're sabotaging the love their children have for them. You can't fully love someone you do not trust.

Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 18:11

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:07

  1. At uni. Still vulnerable, but survived school.

Lots of times I thought he wouldn't. It's all down to him that he has his current life, but oh god the price he's paid for fighting through.

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Likelihood he will be able to work? Live independently?

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:12

Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 18:11

Likelihood he will be able to work? Live independently?

I'm assuming you mean my trans son? Both he and his deaf brother (who is doing a Masters) are already living independently.

Trans son has a job.

hastenotwaste · 28/10/2026 18:15

I wonder if parents who don't, realise that they're sabotaging the love their children have for them. You can't fully love someone you do not trust.
What a strange comment. You can love someone without believing in what they believe in. If you really believe that love can only exist if you accept what others tell you, that sounds more like control.

Waitingfordoggo · 28/10/2026 18:17

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:10

Child abuse isn't in me, I'm proud to say.

If I hadn't supported him, he would still be trans. I know that from seeing what he went through.

I wonder if parents who don't, realise that they're sabotaging the love their children have for them. You can't fully love someone you do not trust.

Telling your child that it’s not possible to change sex is child abuse is it? Gosh. I’ve told both of my children that it isn’t possible to change sex. I await social services.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 28/10/2026 18:19

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 13:28

It's really not and people seem to be making it into a bigger deal than it is. Yes of course you can say 'remember that time we went to Centre Parcs' and reminisce about things. Just don't call someone by a name they don't want to be known by anymore or keep telling them that who they feel they are is wrong.

So if you have Tom who used to be Tanya, just call them Tom and don't say stuff like "you used to be such a lovely little girl, I don't know what happened" or "you used to love dressing up as a princess, so I don't understand this stuff". It's honestly not that hard if you care about someone's feelings. If you don't care and it's all about you and how you feel insulted that they no longer go by the name you chose for them, then yes, it will probably feel like a struggle.

Sure, you're reminiscing about the occasion when Grandad got mixed up about the condiments and put horseradish sauce on his fish and chips thinking it was tartare sauce, and you're not allowed to mention Tim (as he was known at the time to everyone) laughing so much that he sprayed a mouthful of fish all over his Mum? Instead, you have to do some mental juggling and say that Martha sprayed her fish over her Mum? Seriously? Are you not aware how much of the words we use is not a conscious choice but a subconscious one? So Martha is not just trying to control her family's conscious choice of words, but their subconscious.

Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 18:19

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:12

I'm assuming you mean my trans son? Both he and his deaf brother (who is doing a Masters) are already living independently.

Trans son has a job.

But continues to suffer very badly with his mental health?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/10/2026 18:26

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The name change is

  1. To sucker people into replying to a person we otherwise wouldn't bother with because we know we've said it all to them before and they have no real arguments of substance, only hyperbole, misrepresentation and needling. To sucker people into wasting their time basically. (Oooh, I just realised the appeal to a certain type of poster of a movement whose core principle is "treat me as if I am what I present myself to you to be, not as what we both know I actually am")
  2. To make it harder to evidence the patterns. Not harder to see the patterns, just precludes pointing others at advanced search.

It's interesting. I think my posting history is an asset to back me up. Others I guess, not so much.

akkakk · 28/10/2026 18:27

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:10

Child abuse isn't in me, I'm proud to say.

If I hadn't supported him, he would still be trans. I know that from seeing what he went through.

I wonder if parents who don't, realise that they're sabotaging the love their children have for them. You can't fully love someone you do not trust.

I think this is where many on here would differ.

No child 'is trans' they are the girl they are born (in your daughter's case) - but they have the wonderful opportunity to be any shape girl they wish... if they want to present in a more masculine way then that is fine, if they wish to partake of activities traditionally seen as boys' activities, that is fine, if they want to pursue careers traditionally seen as male, that is also fine - but they remain a girl, because as we all know - it is impossible to transition to being a boy - you are and remain your natal sex.

therefore for a parent to 'support' or 'encourage' their child in what can only be described as a delusion (if something is not possible but you act as though it is, that is the very essence of delusion), is not a good parenting moment of being supportive, it is a parent allowing their child to go down a route that is not healthy for them. A parent's job is not to support their child in whatever they may choose or dream - children do not have the maturity or discernment to make some choices until they are older - we know that, it is why we have laws in place to protect them and a key expectation of our laws is that parents are at the forefront of that protection.

The reality is as discussed so often on here, that 'Trans' is a mental health disorder' and should be treated as such - for a parent to ignore that mental health need and instead to support their child's delusion, will I think looking back be seen as a poor parenting choice - though perhaps understandable in the difficulty of the moment. Should that decision take a route to physical harm or body mutilation - or even deepen mental harm etc. then it is likely to be seen as contributing harm to that child... no parent wants to do that, so it is difficult to understand why a parent would support the delusion and avoid helping to support the mental health needs...

you even say that she chooses to present in a feminine way - so there you have a girl who wants to present in a feminine way - so is comfortable with the outward appearance of being a girl - why would you not explore therefore why that would lead to a tunnel into a world of deceit and pretence where your child is going to go out into the world as a young lady telling everyone that she is male - hardly a strong starting position for life - especially if she presents in a more feminine manner...

I know that there have been lots of challenges on here as to the veracity of your stories - I am not at this point raising that, but if we are to accept the fairy story presentation you share with us, it is not unreasonable to challenge it on the basis that it is treating only symptoms and not the underlying issues or causes...

I think that most on here would consider that this is not the parenting approach we would hope to take, but instead the easy route to accepting whatever you are told despite it being obviously untrue, and therefore not doing what is right for the child long term...

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:29

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/10/2026 16:38

What I care about, is the unbridled anger directed at people like him. To know that it's their .parents doing it, is unspeakable.

There is no unbridled anger there is a simple firm resolved not to be cowered by emotional blackmail, not to loose site of the truth just because it's a child, not to give in to tantrums and unreasonable demands, not to support delusion just because they're a child.
In other words parents who are committed to being parents, which requires them to protect their child, even if it's from themselves, but especially from outside influences that will lead them to nothing but harm.
Parents who are being the adult in the relationship, which is what every child needs first and foremost from their parents.

When I was younger, I told my brother off for using a homophobic slur and said: you do realise gay people don't choose to be gay?

He was about 14, and astounded by this. Talking mid-90s. It altered his world in an instant.

I said this in front of several of his male friends. One of them was gay, and later felt able to talk to my brother about it. My brother was eventually best man at his wedding.

Trans children are now in the same position that friend was. Afraid to come out, afraid of their parents and how wider society will treat them. Coping with ridiculous myths about how being LGBT is a lifestyle choice.

There's nothing any parent can do to alter their child being trans, but parents are all-powerful in their children's lives. It's up to them whether they wish to make their child's pain and fear worse - and lose their child's trust in the process.

It really doesn't matter what you think. Being trans is real, and no matter how much angry, abusive, infantilising language you use, trans people.will continue to be born - in tiny numbers, scattered across the world.

The road towards coming out is usually long, can have twists and turns - but is always hard-going. Being an out trans person isn't a casual decision at all, and a parent choosing to be abusive and controlling in that situation will not have the slightest effect on their identity.

Parents who not only fail their children but whinge publicly about how their child's identity affects them are abusing their power. It's pathetic, and shows the parent to be a narcissist. Children are not possessions, owe their parents nothing and deserve respect.

hastenotwaste · 28/10/2026 18:34

Trans children are now in the same position that friend was.

This is a complete false equivalence. Declaring a trans identity really has nothing to do with being gay. Once someone has realised they are gay they do not change their mind, at most they might decide they are bisexual. There are many, many children and adults who realise that they were not actually trans but were swept up in something that they did not fully understand. I can fully understand why that might be difficult for you to accept given your personal circumstances. It is very hard to accept even if you do not have a child who has transitioned but they are there and you are choosing to ignore them.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 28/10/2026 18:36

whoshouldItalkto · 28/10/2026 14:28

And what you are missing is most trans children are autistic

Yes, my son is autistic. All the trans people I know have, without exception, an Asperger's or ASD diagnosis. I think it likely that this has to do with always having been something of a misfit in society.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:37

akkakk · 28/10/2026 18:27

I think this is where many on here would differ.

No child 'is trans' they are the girl they are born (in your daughter's case) - but they have the wonderful opportunity to be any shape girl they wish... if they want to present in a more masculine way then that is fine, if they wish to partake of activities traditionally seen as boys' activities, that is fine, if they want to pursue careers traditionally seen as male, that is also fine - but they remain a girl, because as we all know - it is impossible to transition to being a boy - you are and remain your natal sex.

therefore for a parent to 'support' or 'encourage' their child in what can only be described as a delusion (if something is not possible but you act as though it is, that is the very essence of delusion), is not a good parenting moment of being supportive, it is a parent allowing their child to go down a route that is not healthy for them. A parent's job is not to support their child in whatever they may choose or dream - children do not have the maturity or discernment to make some choices until they are older - we know that, it is why we have laws in place to protect them and a key expectation of our laws is that parents are at the forefront of that protection.

The reality is as discussed so often on here, that 'Trans' is a mental health disorder' and should be treated as such - for a parent to ignore that mental health need and instead to support their child's delusion, will I think looking back be seen as a poor parenting choice - though perhaps understandable in the difficulty of the moment. Should that decision take a route to physical harm or body mutilation - or even deepen mental harm etc. then it is likely to be seen as contributing harm to that child... no parent wants to do that, so it is difficult to understand why a parent would support the delusion and avoid helping to support the mental health needs...

you even say that she chooses to present in a feminine way - so there you have a girl who wants to present in a feminine way - so is comfortable with the outward appearance of being a girl - why would you not explore therefore why that would lead to a tunnel into a world of deceit and pretence where your child is going to go out into the world as a young lady telling everyone that she is male - hardly a strong starting position for life - especially if she presents in a more feminine manner...

I know that there have been lots of challenges on here as to the veracity of your stories - I am not at this point raising that, but if we are to accept the fairy story presentation you share with us, it is not unreasonable to challenge it on the basis that it is treating only symptoms and not the underlying issues or causes...

I think that most on here would consider that this is not the parenting approach we would hope to take, but instead the easy route to accepting whatever you are told despite it being obviously untrue, and therefore not doing what is right for the child long term...

We differ because I know being trans is real. I didn't decide that because it was an easy route.

I know it because I watched my son struggle through years of horrific bullying and never waver in who he was. I saw how being true to himself mattered more than anything else.

There were no other trans boys in his school. He knew no other trans people growing up, but knew who he was aged four.

Almost every other young trans person I know - through family and his older brother's friends - did not have the support I gave him. Their parents were deeply hostile. They are still trans.

Being trans is not a mental illness. It is hardwired, and just who someone is. Your refusal to accept that, really isn't my problem.

Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 18:37

@TransParentlyAnnoyed does your child still continue to suffer with very poor mental health issues years after telling you?

BackToLurk · 28/10/2026 18:38

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:29

When I was younger, I told my brother off for using a homophobic slur and said: you do realise gay people don't choose to be gay?

He was about 14, and astounded by this. Talking mid-90s. It altered his world in an instant.

I said this in front of several of his male friends. One of them was gay, and later felt able to talk to my brother about it. My brother was eventually best man at his wedding.

Trans children are now in the same position that friend was. Afraid to come out, afraid of their parents and how wider society will treat them. Coping with ridiculous myths about how being LGBT is a lifestyle choice.

There's nothing any parent can do to alter their child being trans, but parents are all-powerful in their children's lives. It's up to them whether they wish to make their child's pain and fear worse - and lose their child's trust in the process.

It really doesn't matter what you think. Being trans is real, and no matter how much angry, abusive, infantilising language you use, trans people.will continue to be born - in tiny numbers, scattered across the world.

The road towards coming out is usually long, can have twists and turns - but is always hard-going. Being an out trans person isn't a casual decision at all, and a parent choosing to be abusive and controlling in that situation will not have the slightest effect on their identity.

Parents who not only fail their children but whinge publicly about how their child's identity affects them are abusing their power. It's pathetic, and shows the parent to be a narcissist. Children are not possessions, owe their parents nothing and deserve respect.

There's nothing any parent can do to alter their child being trans, but parents are all-powerful in their children's lives. It's up to them whether they wish to make their child's pain and fear worse - and lose their child's trust in the process.

And again, like others, you ignore the counter experiences of parents, on here and elsewhere, who have loved and supported, but not affirmed, their supposedly 'trans' children. Children who (I'll repeat) desist either as they navigate puberty or as they explore other parts of their life beyond their 'gender identity'.

Waitingfordoggo · 28/10/2026 18:40

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 28/10/2026 18:36

Yes, my son is autistic. All the trans people I know have, without exception, an Asperger's or ASD diagnosis. I think it likely that this has to do with always having been something of a misfit in society.

God this has reminded me that a TRA was saying recently (it might have been here on FWR) that many trans people were being misdiagnosed as autistic, rather than the other way around! ie, that they were assessed and told they were autistic when actually they were not autistic but trans, and somehow their transness was misunderstood as autism. That was a new one on me and really boiled my piss because it is clearly the other way around!

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/10/2026 18:42

So bored of spurious connections between being gay and being trans.

  1. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest being "trans" is any more like being gay than any other social identification group
  2. Gay people just wanted to be left to live their personal and emotional lives as they wished. Trans people require everyone to submit to the wholesale replacement of sex in all social, political and cultural contexts with some sort of arbitrary mixed sex stereotypes-and-personalities-based structure because that is the way trans people see everyone else.

Huge huge difference in expectations.

akkakk · 28/10/2026 18:43

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:37

We differ because I know being trans is real. I didn't decide that because it was an easy route.

I know it because I watched my son struggle through years of horrific bullying and never waver in who he was. I saw how being true to himself mattered more than anything else.

There were no other trans boys in his school. He knew no other trans people growing up, but knew who he was aged four.

Almost every other young trans person I know - through family and his older brother's friends - did not have the support I gave him. Their parents were deeply hostile. They are still trans.

Being trans is not a mental illness. It is hardwired, and just who someone is. Your refusal to accept that, really isn't my problem.

Nope - the evidence is all there...

No man has ever transitioned to being a woman.
No woman has ever transitioned to being a man.

Therefore it is not possible to transition, it is not possible to be trans.

Therefore anyone who feels that (and yes, that is possible - feelings can be based on truth or not) is in the case of your daughter a woman who feels differently to what she understands as being the norm for a woman - i.e. social stereotypes...

That simply makes her one variant of being a woman - she is her type of woman - not a boy / man.

If you really believe that it is possible to transition - then please provide any evidence of anyone every having transitioned - it has been requested many times and no-one has ever provided such evidence...

without it - there is no choice but to accept that born a girl means always a girl / woman.

and therefore to hold beliefs of anything different - is something based in mental-health and is a mental health illness / delusion...

I am happy to await your evidence of anyone ever having transitioned - without it the logic is incontrovertible.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:43

Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 18:37

@TransParentlyAnnoyed does your child still continue to suffer with very poor mental health issues years after telling you?

He had no MH issues at the time he came out. Those came later, when he went through years of physical, verbal and sexual bullying, while realising he wouldn't get any gender-affirming care (in our area, the wait is well over 10 years).

He's now off medication due to leaving the bullying behind, but remains scarred by those years. He has a supportive social circle at uni, his work don't care that he's trans and he knows we love him. This has helped greatly with the dysphoria, which he will now address himself as an adult.

Being trans isn't a mental health condition, and isn't solved by pills or therapy.

Lowlevelhead · 28/10/2026 18:45

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 28/10/2026 18:43

He had no MH issues at the time he came out. Those came later, when he went through years of physical, verbal and sexual bullying, while realising he wouldn't get any gender-affirming care (in our area, the wait is well over 10 years).

He's now off medication due to leaving the bullying behind, but remains scarred by those years. He has a supportive social circle at uni, his work don't care that he's trans and he knows we love him. This has helped greatly with the dysphoria, which he will now address himself as an adult.

Being trans isn't a mental health condition, and isn't solved by pills or therapy.

Is he ND?

hastenotwaste · 28/10/2026 18:46

Being trans isn't a mental health condition, and isn't solved by pills or therapy.
There is a lot of evidence that gender dysphoria actually resolves on its own while going through puberty.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/10/2026 18:47

It's tragic when a tragic story makes it too cruel to discuss the issues it raises, because until those issues are discussed and acknowledged the same tragic stories will repeat again and again.