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Trans identifying people gaslight their parents - a heartbreaking read.

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Soontobe60 · 28/10/2026 06:58

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This broke my heart to read. The impact a child who chooses to declare themselves the opposite sex has on their mother in particular is brutal. I cannot imagine a world where my children would demand that I change my own history to bow to their indoctrination.

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Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:02

Manyanamanyana · 28/10/2026 09:53

You know what I've noticed? You guys are the harsh ones. Where is your sympathy for this Mother? Do you not allow yourselves any room to imagine that this is a loss that some people cannot accept as a positive? That a large majority of trans people appear to be sad and lonely and angry and isolated, and perhaps a Mother doesn't want that for her beautiful child? That it is more natural for a Mother to grieve for this loss than it is to deny the reality of your birth sex? That this poor daughter is so unhappy with the reality of being female that she intends to live the rest of her life in a complex, impossible to manage, lie? You show no curiosity, no empathy, just a harsh half- baked theory that the Mother is controlling and can't accept that her child apparently has agency. I'm sorry, I see very little agency in falling into this ideology, but lots of ideologically driven cheerleaders on the sidelines telling kids lies.

I know of parents who were utterly devastated when their children came out as gay. Totally heartbroken and they said they were grieving for something that would now never happen (ie that their child would marry someone of the opposite sex and have a traditional nuclear family). I think as a society we have now realised that that is the parent's problem if they feel that way. I feel similar about young trans adults and their parents. It's really not about the mother here. I can understand that she is upset/worried/disappointed but I can't understand that she allows that to come before having a relationship with her child.

Manyanamanyana · 28/10/2026 10:03

totino · 28/10/2026 08:12

There's a small number of people who regret transitioning. If they mistakenly thought they were trans, or were dissuaded from it for other reasons is hard to say, and most detransitioners cite outside pressure or lack of means for their decision to detrans. Not to mention some detransitioners also go back to transitioning later.

"They will spend the rest of their life pretending to be something they can never be."

Incidentally, this is how trans people feel if they don't transition. Trying to fit in with their "birth sex" will always be the pretense.

Oh cool, there is obviously a lack of research in this area but you appear to know a lot about it, can you please point us to your resources?

BackToLurk · 28/10/2026 10:04

Manyanamanyana · 28/10/2026 09:53

You know what I've noticed? You guys are the harsh ones. Where is your sympathy for this Mother? Do you not allow yourselves any room to imagine that this is a loss that some people cannot accept as a positive? That a large majority of trans people appear to be sad and lonely and angry and isolated, and perhaps a Mother doesn't want that for her beautiful child? That it is more natural for a Mother to grieve for this loss than it is to deny the reality of your birth sex? That this poor daughter is so unhappy with the reality of being female that she intends to live the rest of her life in a complex, impossible to manage, lie? You show no curiosity, no empathy, just a harsh half- baked theory that the Mother is controlling and can't accept that her child apparently has agency. I'm sorry, I see very little agency in falling into this ideology, but lots of ideologically driven cheerleaders on the sidelines telling kids lies.

It’s a game to them.

Manyanamanyana · 28/10/2026 10:04

Pingponghavoc · 28/10/2026 08:12

Parents know the lies told for transgenderism, and thats inconvenient for the person and the movement so 'no contact' is encouraged.

Its difficult to convince a parent of a retconned childhood. And while a parent is around, its hard for the 'trans child' to talk of and maintain these imagined experiences.

Parents have hopes for their children, but in reality they want their children to be safe and happy. There is a lot to suggest that isnt the case in trans community. There is drug use, surgery, paranoia, it attracts lots of predators.

Parents dont stop caring about their children just because they reach adulthood, and by definition, they have more experience of life. The know the difference between mistakes we can learn from and mistakes that can ruin lives.

Beautifully put xx

OldCrone · 28/10/2026 10:05

Twoallbeepattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickles · 28/10/2026 08:54

Nobody is suggesting sex changes AND you know this. At this point its a wilful misunderstanding.

So why has this young women taken testosterone and had her breasts removed?

This isn't about a bit of crossdressing.

NotBadConsidering · 28/10/2026 10:06

Manyanamanyana · 28/10/2026 09:53

You know what I've noticed? You guys are the harsh ones. Where is your sympathy for this Mother? Do you not allow yourselves any room to imagine that this is a loss that some people cannot accept as a positive? That a large majority of trans people appear to be sad and lonely and angry and isolated, and perhaps a Mother doesn't want that for her beautiful child? That it is more natural for a Mother to grieve for this loss than it is to deny the reality of your birth sex? That this poor daughter is so unhappy with the reality of being female that she intends to live the rest of her life in a complex, impossible to manage, lie? You show no curiosity, no empathy, just a harsh half- baked theory that the Mother is controlling and can't accept that her child apparently has agency. I'm sorry, I see very little agency in falling into this ideology, but lots of ideologically driven cheerleaders on the sidelines telling kids lies.

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And this is why they won’t win. It doesn’t matter if they report posts and have them deleted. The ideology is one driven by a lack of empathy, a destruction of relationships and a division of social cohesion. It’s completely unsustainable which is why we are seeing it collapse under the weight of its own hubris. We all see it and they’re feeling the pressure of that and this is what we see, for all to see.

ThreadGuardDog · 28/10/2026 10:06

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:02

I know of parents who were utterly devastated when their children came out as gay. Totally heartbroken and they said they were grieving for something that would now never happen (ie that their child would marry someone of the opposite sex and have a traditional nuclear family). I think as a society we have now realised that that is the parent's problem if they feel that way. I feel similar about young trans adults and their parents. It's really not about the mother here. I can understand that she is upset/worried/disappointed but I can't understand that she allows that to come before having a relationship with her child.

Really sad that you don’t understand or empathise with natural human emotion. I think you make the PP’s point perfectly.

BlueLegume · 28/10/2026 10:06

What interests me about the TRA’s or the constant posts about us not understanding reality is, if the posters are so sure of themselves why are they not forming think tanks to ‘educate’ the world on all this gender stuff?

Why just sit on Mumsnet spouting word salad circular arguments and chucking in the odd Dunning-Kruger quote here and there?

Waitingfordoggo · 28/10/2026 10:07

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:02

I know of parents who were utterly devastated when their children came out as gay. Totally heartbroken and they said they were grieving for something that would now never happen (ie that their child would marry someone of the opposite sex and have a traditional nuclear family). I think as a society we have now realised that that is the parent's problem if they feel that way. I feel similar about young trans adults and their parents. It's really not about the mother here. I can understand that she is upset/worried/disappointed but I can't understand that she allows that to come before having a relationship with her child.

It’s just not the same thing at all. My child is gay and has found a loving partner. I’m happy for them. Neither of them is taking opposite-sex hormones or having unnecessary surgery, and neither of them is trying to pretend to be something they aren’t.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/10/2026 10:08

Manyanamanyana · 28/10/2026 09:53

You know what I've noticed? You guys are the harsh ones. Where is your sympathy for this Mother? Do you not allow yourselves any room to imagine that this is a loss that some people cannot accept as a positive? That a large majority of trans people appear to be sad and lonely and angry and isolated, and perhaps a Mother doesn't want that for her beautiful child? That it is more natural for a Mother to grieve for this loss than it is to deny the reality of your birth sex? That this poor daughter is so unhappy with the reality of being female that she intends to live the rest of her life in a complex, impossible to manage, lie? You show no curiosity, no empathy, just a harsh half- baked theory that the Mother is controlling and can't accept that her child apparently has agency. I'm sorry, I see very little agency in falling into this ideology, but lots of ideologically driven cheerleaders on the sidelines telling kids lies.

This in spades, the lack of empathy shows how empty the ideologues are, nothing that exists outside their carefully constructed narrative is of any importance, only their will to power counts. Very Nietzschean

MagpiePi · 28/10/2026 10:10

ThreadGuardDog · 28/10/2026 09:51

Are you going to trot this out every time you don’t have a cohesive argument ?

It's just trying to be an intellectually superior way of saying 'you're too stupid to understand'.

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:11

Waitingfordoggo · 28/10/2026 10:07

It’s just not the same thing at all. My child is gay and has found a loving partner. I’m happy for them. Neither of them is taking opposite-sex hormones or having unnecessary surgery, and neither of them is trying to pretend to be something they aren’t.

So you say but for some parents, finding out their child is gay is utterly devastating and they can't deal with it. But it's a 'them' problem. I also don't think someone who is openly trans is pretending to be something that they are not. Who they are is a trans person. Anyway, it remains the case that the child of the woman in the blog post does not speak to her. But at least she has the moral high ground I guess.

TrappedByThisDesk · 28/10/2026 10:11

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:02

I know of parents who were utterly devastated when their children came out as gay. Totally heartbroken and they said they were grieving for something that would now never happen (ie that their child would marry someone of the opposite sex and have a traditional nuclear family). I think as a society we have now realised that that is the parent's problem if they feel that way. I feel similar about young trans adults and their parents. It's really not about the mother here. I can understand that she is upset/worried/disappointed but I can't understand that she allows that to come before having a relationship with her child.

The big difference between having a gay child and a trans child is that the trans child may well choose to wreck their body with hormones and surgeries.
No parent wants their child to go through that.

Pudmyboy · 28/10/2026 10:14

Twoallbeepattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickles · 28/10/2026 09:29

No one is saying that.

Try & keep up.

Idiotic nonsense

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:15

TrappedByThisDesk · 28/10/2026 10:11

The big difference between having a gay child and a trans child is that the trans child may well choose to wreck their body with hormones and surgeries.
No parent wants their child to go through that.

And people used to say similar things about 'unsafe' gay lifestyles and probably still do. I mean a large number of women also regularly inject a toxin to freeze their facial muscles, a drug to curb their appetite and have various unnecessary surgeries. Lots of people smoke, with a really high risk of getting lung cancer and other complications.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2026 10:17

Brainworm · 28/10/2026 09:59

When young people transition, whilst the decision to transition and ‘gender distress’ might be sudden and seem to come from nowhere, the vast majority have a significant history of distress - eating disorders, mood disorders, self harm etc.

Parents of children with a history of significant mental illness often find it hard to let go and often do seek more control than parents whose children have had good health. They have feared for their children’s lives, seen their children engage in self destructive behaviour and their intervention has been life saving. When their children make a good recovery, the parents can take decades to feel as thought they can ‘stand down’. They saw their children go from being healthy and thriving to being desperately and dangerously mentally unwell. Seeing them thriving again doesn’t provide reassurance that they won’t all experience the horrors again.

Im just posting this to try and expand some of the hypothesising about parents who are ‘overly controlling’ and have difficulties ‘letting go’. It is the case that in some cases, this is underpinned by personality traits. But sometimes, this is because of past vulnerabilities and behaviours arising that can be understood through a different (and worrying lens) when childhood history is known.

It can be frustrating and upsetting for adult children to have their parents viewing their current behaviours through then lens of the past. Especially if they are well. However, it can be life saving when they do this and the young person is unwell.

Thanks for the reminder about how mentally unwell and vulnerable these children and young people are. Of course they have limited resilience / capacity to ignore the utter ghouls promoting sex change to the young.
Many of us - women especially - can ignore the drip drip of coercive control that underpins trans ideology / gender identity.

Waitingfordoggo · 28/10/2026 10:18

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:11

So you say but for some parents, finding out their child is gay is utterly devastating and they can't deal with it. But it's a 'them' problem. I also don't think someone who is openly trans is pretending to be something that they are not. Who they are is a trans person. Anyway, it remains the case that the child of the woman in the blog post does not speak to her. But at least she has the moral high ground I guess.

Yes, some parents are homophobic. Some parents are disappointed in their children for all sorts of silly reasons. That isn’t the same thing as being very concerned about one’s child having unnecessary surgery, or medicating a healthy body.

Trans people pretend to be the opposite sex. That’s what trans is.

BlueLegume · 28/10/2026 10:18

@Twoallbeepattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickles thoughts at all on the upcoming scandal after it was found Sam Hall was doling out prescriptions unlawfully to minors off the back of the Sarah Redvers tribunal. Can you explain how that was ethical to me as I am too stupid or wilfully ignorant to understand the wider lens of trans ideology?

Thoughts on the other upcoming scandal featuring Sophie Quinney and the Welsh Gender Service. Happy to provide evidence on both cases that made me stop in my tracks in horror at what the NHS has been party to all not to upset TRA’s. Sam Hall is a particularly chilling case but maybe I am mistaken? Your expertise is perhaps what I need to see the nuance?

If you could explain how I have misunderstood both of these topics I am all ears.

MoistVonL · 28/10/2026 10:19

It's pigeon chess yet again.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2026 10:19

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:15

And people used to say similar things about 'unsafe' gay lifestyles and probably still do. I mean a large number of women also regularly inject a toxin to freeze their facial muscles, a drug to curb their appetite and have various unnecessary surgeries. Lots of people smoke, with a really high risk of getting lung cancer and other complications.

So what's your point? That dangerous drugs and brutal experimental surgery is great for the young because trans?

You're not a parent are you?

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 28/10/2026 10:20

Lexibletheflexible · 28/10/2026 09:43

Why do they pump healthy breasts with silicone implants?

Edited

BIG difference between getting an implant that has no removal to it versus amputating breasts and/or genitals.
As someone else mentioned, there are people who truly feel they "need" to be disabled to be true to who they believe themselves to be. Some have gotten limbs cut off, so they can live the life they feel they are.

Now, what other group has that same way of looking at themselves?

akkakk · 28/10/2026 10:23

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:11

So you say but for some parents, finding out their child is gay is utterly devastating and they can't deal with it. But it's a 'them' problem. I also don't think someone who is openly trans is pretending to be something that they are not. Who they are is a trans person. Anyway, it remains the case that the child of the woman in the blog post does not speak to her. But at least she has the moral high ground I guess.

I also don't think someone who is openly trans is pretending to be something that they are not.

Well, they are definitely pretending (because it is not real)
And they are not the opposite sex to their birth sex despite their pretence...

Seems an awful lot like they are pretending to be something they are not...

of course, you might share the delusion that someone can actually change sex - but that claim has been thoroughly debunked - so much so that you get TRAs (including on this thread) admitting that you can't change sex.

the whole point about 'trans' is that it is pretence / make-believe / delusional / living in an alternative universe... that is why the word 'trans' is used - if you could actually change sex you would go from man to woman, not man to 'trans-woman' - so even the entire 'trans' movement in its terminology admits that you can not transition!

BlueLegume · 28/10/2026 10:23

@Glowingup so all you really have is conflation of people having aesthetic procedures as your comparison? Pretty weak argument.

Trans is the only psychological illness we treat by removing healthy body parts.

It needs to be repatholgised.

AstonCanKissMyArse · 28/10/2026 10:25

TrappedByThisDesk · 28/10/2026 10:11

The big difference between having a gay child and a trans child is that the trans child may well choose to wreck their body with hormones and surgeries.
No parent wants their child to go through that.

Exactly. Being gay doesn't come with a lifetime of health risks and probable sterility.

Its quite breathtaking how some posters can dismiss a mother's heartbreak over her child rejecting their healthy body and taking this path to wreck it.

It really isn't 'the new being gay'.

Its really not the same as a mother being upset to learn her child is gay. There's no rewriting of history with coming out as gay.

What this beautifully written article was about (as its clear most posters haven't bothered to read it) is the dissonance and grief of having your own life experiences and memories re-written. You didn't have a little boy - you had a girl. The doctor didn't announce 'its a boy!' In the delivery room, it was 'its a girl' . You had a 'daughter' - but of course 'she' never had her first period or bra. All your parenting memories being changed or deleted. That's got to be very difficult to deal with.

To believe this is simply the same as wanting to control your adult child is to be willfully ignorant.

It would be really nice if just for once the thread could discuss the actual article rather than being derailed.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 28/10/2026 10:29

Glowingup · 28/10/2026 10:02

I know of parents who were utterly devastated when their children came out as gay. Totally heartbroken and they said they were grieving for something that would now never happen (ie that their child would marry someone of the opposite sex and have a traditional nuclear family). I think as a society we have now realised that that is the parent's problem if they feel that way. I feel similar about young trans adults and their parents. It's really not about the mother here. I can understand that she is upset/worried/disappointed but I can't understand that she allows that to come before having a relationship with her child.

That is still a false equivocacy. Being gay or lesbian is a sexual orientation, just as is bisexualism. LBG have really nothing in common with any part of the rest of the TQAPN...whatevers. Half of them are just made up words/terms so some loner can claim a place. The others have zero to do with sexual orientation and are more of a lifestyle choice.

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