Dr Upton in the news again

[Sparkyduchess]

I see the lovely Dr Upton is in the news again, who didn’t see this coming 🙄

i feel for the woman facing this, and troubling that she was worried she’d be bullied into accepting treatment from him

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16235793/Doctor-quit-UK-Peggie-trans-row-centre-gender-storm-Australia-known-Lis.html

You say you don’t perceive or categorise transwomen as men, but do you acknowledge they are male? Because that was the scenario. Whether a female patient should expect a female person when they request one.

But not to go against the wishes of his patients or claim to be the sex of the Dr a woman has requested when he's not?

Nah, it's because this heterosexual man who has already violated a nurse's boundaries, pretends he's a lesbian and doesn't understand biology has said he would show up to treat a woman who had explicitly asked him not to show up, and has engineered a position where he can do exactly that, and so her husband is making damn sure he won't.

The tide will turn.
Most people are tolerant until they really think it though or it affects THEM or someone in their circles not some other random.

"I don't think the number of patients with this particular need is that big"

Shall we do a round up of people just on this thread who have that particular need?

I will start it.

Yes, if I need to have an intimate procedure, I always ask for a female doctor. I even used to go specifically to a female reproductive clinic to make sure that I did get that while I lived in NSW. I am not going to tell you the reason why, because I fucking shouldn't have to

So, me. I am one.

Anyone else? No need to say why, we just need to vote yes, we do want and need a female health care professional or no, we don't.

It’s literally the only prerequisite to be a trans woman. You have to be a man. Despite what you wear or what body modifications one does. They’ll always be male.

Why are grown adults still acting daft in 2026.

None if he regretted it he wouldn't do it again.

Hes bound to run into another Sandi at some point (but possibly not Sandis magically deep pocketed friend)

Plus, I have two friends in Australia and two sisters who also want female health care professionals when they request them.

I have not had the discussion with any one else there. But, hey, the odds are looking pretty fucking shaky on that "I don't think the number of patients with this particular need is that big" statement.

Purity of philosophical belief, innit.

Yes.

I can explain why if need be, but there should be no requirement for this.

Same.

It should never come down to NEED, if a woman asks for a woman she should get a actual woman not a deluded man.

Regardless of her reasons if she's made the request it should be respected.

For intimate examinations - yes

For non intimate examination - no.

What I want in 100% of my interactions with Drs however is:

1. honesty
2. respect for my wishes
3. someone who knows that men cannot be biologically female.

"I think inclusion should be the default and exclusion the exception, so I don't think Dr Upton is in the wrong to offer treatment."

You don't think that Upton is wrong to offer treatment if a female person has specifically asked for a female health care professional?

You really do come across as hating women and girls.

By the way, 'inclusion' isn't just one direction. 'Inclusion' also can include female people's needs before any male person's demands. It is the very opposite of 'inclusion' to default to demanding that female people are put in a position where they have to consciously reject a male person who has presented themselves as the 'female health care professional' requested.

Your values are very skewed if you truly believe that female people should be put in that situation and that that situation is 'inclusive'.

Same here. If I want to receive intimate (or any) care from a female medic then I don't expect the organisation and said medic to lie to me. Do no harm.

Thats your choice.
And people have different boundaries.

Some women wouldn't want a man near her big toe, others wouldn't mind.

You do not know what that person has been through.
You do not know their beliefs.
Or it might just be they don't want men touching them.

Respect

Let's look at English and Scots criminal law cases. There are at least two UK cases where women, one of whom was trans-identifying, were jailed for sexual assault by penetration because their victims had consented to sexual intercourse with a man using his penis, not sexual intercourse with a woman using a strap-on. That one was trans-identifying didn't magically make her victim's consent valid.

Yet we are expected to believe that a doctor lying about his sex to a patient who has explicitly asked for a particular sex of HCP somehow isn't invalidating his patient's consent? Pull one of the others, it has bells on.

I doubt that he has sufficient self-awareness to experience regret for anything.

Absolutely - I'm not arguing for anything else. Women should have the right to choose, and they should certainly have the right to Drs who respect their patients' bodily autonomy and the right to see Drs who don't lie.

You think anything about this is fucking humerous?

Bloody hell.

Your understanding is limited by your adherence to an ideology.

(Or perhaps by the fact that you apparently identify as a frozen pizza roll.)

Aye, exactly. If you can get prosecuted for calling a man a man, you aren't going to say that a man is a man to the press.

If I request a female HCP I want a female HCP, I will not accept a male identifying as a female.

Nor will I give any reason to anybody who asks why I have requested a female HCP and nor should I be expected to or have to, neither I nor any other woman should ever be required to justify the request.

I need a female nurse for smears. Having my vagina stretched with a speculum brings back unpleasant memories of being hurt there, which are made a lot lot worse if I can also see, hear, or smell a man.

I also shouldn't have to relive those memories in order to justify my request for a female nurse. Simply asking for a woman should be enough.

Yes for intimate procedures I want a female hcp. I also see no reason why I should have to explain why.