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Kevin Lister: teacher refused to use wrong sex pronouns, sacked: tribunal appeal

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MyAmpleSheep · 21/10/2026 22:39

Is anyone following this case? The EAT hearing was yesterday and today.

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/k-lister-vs-new-college-swindon-dbs

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IwantToRetire · 24/10/2026 21:58

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I've noticed you say this a lot. Dismissing other women's views because they don't align with your own is rather strange on a discussion forum.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 24/10/2026 23:12

maggisimpson · 24/10/2026 00:17

Grow up 😂try calling your boss a cunt and tell them you don't believe in others dictating your speech!

There’s no similarity at all between refusing to lie by using wrong-sex pronouns and calling your boss a cunt.

4noisykids · 25/10/2026 00:39

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 22/10/2026 09:34

Yes, using a new name should be a no brainer because names ARE individual part of language and not decided by the speaker.

However, the fact remains, safeguarding concerns should be investigated even if you don't like the person raising them.

Reading between the lines, rather than helping this teacher find a compromise the college went straight into 'bigot, get the ducking stool!' mode and didn't help him figure out a compromise that didn't involve social transition but protected the child's dignity. None of this has been in the child's best interests.

However, it's tricky using neutral pronouns and a new name there is a cognitive load there. But I don't think he's arguing it was accidental. I feel there are lots of gaps and potential biases / misinformation in the reporting.

The trouble is, the educational establishment has to adhere to all this stuff to get a decent Ofsted rating and your Ofsted rating affects everything. If they hadn’t thrown the book at him, there would have been repercussions for them.
You’ve got to realise that this kind of thing is everything in education, it’s not a little side issue.
In my last job, you could pick up a badge in reception with the pronoun you wanted to be addressed by. There was a whole basket full of them. The register had a separate column for the preferred pronoun to be added.
Emails came with the person’s name and preferred pronoun. Everything was saturated in this gender ideology. The college year started with training on it all. The college was rated Ofsted outstanding and this was just one of many areas where they are doing what is expected of them to keep that Outstanding.
Posters saying there must be more than meets the eye to this case, no, if he had taught where I have taught, there wouldn’t need to be any more going on.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 25/10/2026 06:38

I agree with the above, in my place this crap didn't appear until a new CEO decided he wanted to go for an Investor's in People Award, the company has been awash with genderwang ever since.
Maybe an organisation like Sex Matters can start looking behind the curtain for the root cause of this stupidity, if we want to get rid of it we need to start shinning the light on where it all starts.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 25/10/2026 07:15

maggisimpson · 24/10/2026 18:49

Should a Catholic school be allowed to tell it's teachers that they need to act as if they accept God exists?

Should a Catholic school be allowed to tell it's teachers that they need to act as if they accept God exists?

Yes. There are specific exemptions in the Equality Act that allow religious schools to discriminate by not employing those of the "wrong" religious adherence.

anyolddinosaur · 25/10/2026 09:44

For me there are (at least?) 4 separate issues. Should a school be able to compel pronoun use - no, I dont think they should and certainly not for children. Should they be able to say use the person's preferred name - yes. Is sacking someone who fails to use a specific name an appropriate first response - no, a written warning. Should the dbs be allowed to prevent someone in this position teaching - not for a first example.

Icedvanillacoffee · 25/10/2026 10:08

I worked in secondary schools for more than 30 years. Education has a lot of form for doing stupid things and telling kids wrong information as if it was fact.
We used to have something called brain gym where normal adults , some with degrees in science, told kids they could connect the two sides of their brain by standing on one foot.
We also insisted that kids here in northern Europe would become dehydrated if they didn't drink water pretty much all the time, hence those annoying water bottles. I clearly remember being in a staff training session when a senior leader, who held a degree from Cambridge, no less, told us humans cant absorb water from food.
I myself never subscribed to any of this malarkey because I was raised by deeply sceptical parents neither of whom had a degree.
Trans is just the latest nonsense schools have swallowed whole. When the pendulum swings the same 5% of nutters that still believe in movement breaks will be left believing that humans can change sex.
Its so damaging by the way to the way a school runs if the head and slt are enforcing stupidity as the kids who on the whole aren't stupid will not have any respect for any of the rules, or staff. I get that this student was 17 but honestly why allow anyone who is a student so much power in a classroom. I remember what I was like then, I didnt understand Jane Austen let alone complex questions about my personality and sexual identity. I did however have a real grudge against one teacher, it was just as well my college was not run by lunatics.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/10/2026 10:45

4noisykids · 25/10/2026 00:39

The trouble is, the educational establishment has to adhere to all this stuff to get a decent Ofsted rating and your Ofsted rating affects everything. If they hadn’t thrown the book at him, there would have been repercussions for them.
You’ve got to realise that this kind of thing is everything in education, it’s not a little side issue.
In my last job, you could pick up a badge in reception with the pronoun you wanted to be addressed by. There was a whole basket full of them. The register had a separate column for the preferred pronoun to be added.
Emails came with the person’s name and preferred pronoun. Everything was saturated in this gender ideology. The college year started with training on it all. The college was rated Ofsted outstanding and this was just one of many areas where they are doing what is expected of them to keep that Outstanding.
Posters saying there must be more than meets the eye to this case, no, if he had taught where I have taught, there wouldn’t need to be any more going on.

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Ofsted were fully captured by gender nonsense in the early 2020s with a number of primary schools being downgraded for failing to talk to little children about gender identity.
Fortunately letters were leaked from Stonewall to Ofsted complaining that inspectors weren't talking to little children about GI and it was exposed that Ofsted had explicitly cited a lack of teaching on "gender identity," "gender diversity," and "gender reassignment" as reasons for lowering schools' performance grades.
Ofsted quietly reverse ferreted and cut their ties with Stonewall.

What they failed to do was apologise to schools for enforcing such abusive / anti safeguarding beliefs onto schools. That would have made a massive difference.

Instead they kept quiet and moved on pretending it had never happened. 🙄

https://secured.dailymail.com/news/article-10931423/Ofsted-cites-lack-gender-identity-teaching-primaries-factor-inspection-reports.html

Mail link but also reported in the paywalled Telegraph & Times.

Ofsted cites lack of gender identity teaching in primary schools

A lack of 'gender identity' teaching has been cited among the reasons for several primary schools' low grades by Ofsted inspectors in their reports.

https://secured.dailymail.com/news/article-10931423/Ofsted-cites-lack-gender-identity-teaching-primaries-factor-inspection-reports.html

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