Redvers v NHS Sussex Integrated Care Board & Mr Adam Doyle Thread 3

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TT summary:

Dr Redvers, a named GP safeguarding lead, has a constructive dismissal case. Clinical concerns were raised about a specific doctor at WellBN, a Brighton GP practice. She claims that as a result of escalating those claims from 2020 onwards, she was constructively dismissed.

Her legal claim is discrimination on the grounds of her employer’s perception she had gender critical beliefs and on the grounds of her protected belief in evidence-based medicine (EBM). The respondent defends the latter claim by pleading that EBM is just an opinion.

Earlier coverage of this hearing can be found on TT's Substack at:
t.co/TwXeLCDnpt

TT report what they hear in good faith but do not provide a verbatim transcript of the hearing.

TT's list of abbreviations:

J - Judge Katherine Andrews (sitting alone)
DR/C - Doctor Sarah Redvers, claimant
CM/RB - Chris Milsom, claimant barrister
CE/RB - Charlotte Elves, Claimant Barrister
PD - Peter Daly, solicitor for the C

NHSSICB/R1 - NHS Sussex Integrated Care Board, first respondent
AD/R2 - Adam Doyle, second respondent, CEO of R1 2019-2025
Rs - collectively the respondents
RB/BW - Ben Williams, Respondent's barrister
EBM - Evidence-based medicine
SG - Safeguarding

WB - WellBN, Brighton based GP practice
GC - Gender Critical or sex realist beliefs
GI - Gender Identity belief
WS - Witness Statement
Ix - investigation
Gx - grievance
Cx - complaint

SH/DSH - Dr Sam Hall, GP at WellBN, Trustee - the Clare Project (TCP), Clinical Lead - Trans Health Hub, GIC Partner - Trans Health Improvement Board at R1, trans-identified female
DA - Dusty Amroliwala, ext consultant, investigated complaint filed by DSH against C
LB - Lola Banjoko, Exec Managing Director, chair of Trans Health Improvement Board, advised R1 on trans matters
NC - Nikky Cambridge, former trustee of TCP

AC - Allison Cannon, Chief Nursing Officer, R1, tasked w implementing the recommendations of the 1st grievance outcome
CCD - Dr Claire Cochrane-Dyet, Dep Medical Director for System Improvement & Professional Standards, NHSE, commissioned Warshafsky Report
HD - Dr Hannah Davies, Deputy Chief Medical Office, R1

SD - Samantha Durrant, Lay vice chair until July 2022, 1st grievance manager
NE - Naomi Ellis, dep director of Safeguarding, R1
MF - Dr Mary Flynn, Named GP for Safeguarding, also filed g/x in relation to Amroliwala Report
PF - Pennie Ford, Executive Managing Director, R1, 2nd grievance manager

EG - Dr Elizabeth Gill, Chief Medical Officer, R1
HH - Hannah Hamilton, Chief financial officer, R1, 2nd grievance appeal manager
BJ - Dr Becky Jarvis, clinical lead for mental health, R1
TM - Tom Micklewright, managing partner of Lime Tree Surgery

IM - Ian Mundy, HR Consultant, Your Consultancy, 1st grievance investigator
MP - Mark Power, interim Chief People Officer (until April 2022), R1, managed Amroliwala investigation
RR - Dr Rebecca Richards, GP partner, Lime Tree Surgery, raised concerns to C about SH
AR - Anne Robson, Interim Chief People Officer (April -August 2022), R1

DS - Dr Dinesh Sinha, Chief Medical Officer (June 2022 - April 2024), Chair of Trans Health Improvement Board (THIB)
MS - Mark Smith, Chief People Officer, R1 (Aug 2022 - Jan 2025) Acting CEO (Jan 2025 - June 2025) Deputy CEO & Director of Transition (June 2025 - present)
RW - Dr Robin Warshafsky, GP NHSE, Author of Warshafsky Report (WR)

Thread 1:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5586672-wellbn-brighton-gp-practice-do-not-believe-in-evidence-based-medicine-tt-at-employment-tribunal-tomorrow

Thread 2:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5588924-redvers-v-nhs-sussex-integrated-care-board-mr-adam-doyle-thread-2

Definitely damage limitation. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some communications between Hall and Oates Doyle around these meetings. I don't believe there was nothing, I can't go for that but perhaps it's because I'm an evil woman. If only they'd employ private eyes. That would make my dreams come true.

He wasn’t under oath then, lest we forget?!

You’re just such a Rich Girl!

😃 if only!

Who was it that talked about "being economical with the truth"? Someone worthy and (self) important.

He's going too far, 'cause he knows it doesn't matter anyway..

I'll get me coat.

These employment tribunals are just full of so many astonishing moments.

The audacity of explaining away your lies in court with the statement “I wasn’t under oath then”?!?! 🤯

You mean you can’t rely on the old man’s money??

If AD was a civil servant I suspect he would have breached the civil service code. I dont think the NHS has an equivalent but he certainly isn't acting in line with the Nolan principles.

In reality it's unlikely AD will feel the consequences much, the public sector is awash with senior managers whose work seems to be 90% arse covering 10% doing something useful

Dr Hall isn’t employed by NHS Sussex though, and it’s an employment tribunal. This is about how Dr Redvers was treated by her employer having raised concerns about a service commissioned by them. The nature of the service has attracted a lot of attention, but regardless it was Dr Redvers job to investigate these issues and she was treated terribly when she did so.

i remain gobsmacked about what legal advice must have been given for the tribunal to turn out this way though. Their defence seems so shoddy.

That’s true. Thank you.

I was going to click on the 'support' emoji, but the ❤one seemed more appropriate! I hope you are much better now with the benefit of your pacemaker,
oldtiredcyclist.
I'm sure it was no consolation when you got the dagnosis, but isn't 'left branch bundle block' a great name, and unusual in that it isn't Latin or Greek?

Are the submissions likely to be on TT today?

'Economical with the actualité' ?

That was Alan Clark during his cross-examination at the Old Bailey in November 1992 during the Matrix Churchill trial. Not sure I'd describe him as worthy though. Cad and bounder more like.

Apparently it was a play on Cabinet Secretary Sir Robert Armstrong's phrase 'economical with the truth' during the 1986 Spycatcher trial. I have no idea about his worthiness or otherwise.

Mr. Doyle is a respondent. The Judge can express a dim view of his lack of candour in the judgment. There are also costs orders and aggravated damages to consider, although I don't know if the matter rises that far in this case.

Monsieur Flambes des Pantalons.

Well -you might if you had been caught being less than candid, right?

I thought the Nolan principles applied to all public service, and would thus include NHS and schools staff?

Is there really nothing to keep these sections of employees accountable? Bringing workplace into disrepute?

AD in his evidence [under oath, don't y' know] said he had provided everything that he thought was 'reasonable' 'relevant' 'responsible' (!).

When the judge was asking for the diaries for those four months, she clarified with CM what the access request had asked for and he said it covered everything, which would include diaries. Not too difficult for the court and the legal teams to put two and two together there.

Yes Nolan Principles apply. But from experience senior public servants are teflon coated. He might get a little lecture but id be surprised if it was more than that.

J We'll meet again at Fri at 10am for relatively short oral submissions then.

Will we actually get to watch oral submissions tomorrow?

Will it actually start at 10?

Will I find the scrap of paper with the pin number on to log on?

Just poking my head in the side door to say congrats to @MyrtleLion!
Back to catching up with the thread now.

Thank you!

That sounds terrible. I have heard that women get a worse deal than men when it comes to heart problems. Just looked it up on the British Heart Foundation website and they say that there are "gender inequalities in heart care".

At least you've got it - I've emailed twice and had nothing but autoreplies. Not impressed.