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HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 24/10/2026 01:06

Datun · 24/10/2026 00:30

It's the barrel scraping.

It's bad enough that she supports women. But the unimaginable wealth, the articulation, eloquence and her wild, global popularity means they've really got fuck all to work with.

So the desperate invention of risible jibber jabber really sticks out a mile

wild, global popularity

Sad little man has had 33.5 thousand views on X and 759 likes.
JKR's post has already had just under 2 million views on X and 29 thousand likes.

That's hard for the male ego to swallow.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 24/10/2026 01:09

MarieDeGournay · 24/10/2026 00:55

True, but so many bands had weird names back then - The BonzoDoDoDahBand, TheVelvetUnderground, TheElectricPrunes - that MarcTheCognitiveDissonanceDude didn't really stand out.

The fun thing about MarcTheCognitiveDissonanceDude was that they weren't in fact one dude, there were actually 8 of them on stage!

The fun thing about MarcTheCognitiveDissonanceDude was that they weren't in fact one dude, there were actually 8 of them on stage!

No😱
Maybe @Mmmnotsure was correct about the Summer of '67 trashing my eyes.

MarieDeGournay · 24/10/2026 01:16

Thanks, yes, it could be ce type britannique qui a l'air de se prendre trop au sérieux 🙄
but CoolforKats didn't say who it was the first time, or when I asked for the source, even though I used the magic word, please.
It was an exercise in detective work for us, or something....

FlirtsWithRhinos · 24/10/2026 01:39

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 24/10/2026 01:09

The fun thing about MarcTheCognitiveDissonanceDude was that they weren't in fact one dude, there were actually 8 of them on stage!

No😱
Maybe @Mmmnotsure was correct about the Summer of '67 trashing my eyes.

Doing that Cognitive Disco Dance

disco GIF
Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2026 03:01

Mmmnotsure · 24/10/2026 00:30

It's your eyes. That'll be the result of Snettisham and the psychedelic lights.
It catches up with you.

Snettisham was fucking legendary. Especially when they brought it back in 1999.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2026 03:05

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 24/10/2026 00:20

All these sad little pompous men vying for each other's attention in their takedowns of her. All these sad little insecure men re-tweeting the posts. All of them trying to make a buck on X, furious that she is so untouchably wealthy.

Men, and their fragile egos.🙄

This is exactly it.

TakingMyChancesWithTheRabbits · 24/10/2026 05:42

Heggettypeg · 23/10/2026 23:07

"You must lie upon the daisies and discourse in novel phrases
Of your complicated state of mind.
The meaning doesn't matter, if it's only idle chatter
Of a TRANScendental kind."

For some reason I ended up singing this to "If I only had a brain" from the Wizard of Oz, despite the fact the second line doesn't quite scan (unless you truncate "state of mind" to just "mind"). Which feels kind of apt, but now I've got that stuck in my head and can't work out what it should be. Can you assist @Heggettypeg ?

StealthTroublemaker · 24/10/2026 06:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2026 22:41

Whats the first rule of Judith Butler Fan Club?

To use as many multi syllable words in a sentence as possible whether they are relevant or not?

StealthTroublemaker · 24/10/2026 06:29

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:47

You’re conveniently missing the over arching point that financial success doesn't equal intellectual & moral authority.

The only thing I would add to that is so called 'feminists' with such classist hierarchical sensibilities is an oxymoron.

Edited

But didn't JKR pay for the evacuation of lots of women from afghanistan? Yes, yes she did.

ArabellaScott · 24/10/2026 06:40

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/10/2026 23:30

Haha, basically she's a middling author who <didn't stay in her lane>.
Interesting thesis that a more prominent or superior writer would be better placed to be the moral arbiter that Rowling bestows on herself.
Well Margaret Atwood, for your name has been mentioned, where are you then on men in women's spaces and teen medicalisation? I keep my ears open, but all I hear from you is you choose not to get involved.
Or maybe that's the bigger point. Atwood is the superior writer and intellect, and chooses to not intervene. And thus the pretender to great literature, Rowling, should shut her mouth as well. Certainly no qualifications or substance to be the most audible voice on this matter.

Edited

I don't know that Atwood is a superior writer, especially, they write in different genres is all. I can see a few similarities in their work, in fact. Could be quite an interesting comparison.

The essay CoolKat posted is one long hilarious butthurt whine in the key of B minor, though.

ArabellaScott · 24/10/2026 06:48

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 24/10/2026 00:41

Weak

We are at the PooPooHead stage of the discussion.

SidewaysOtter · 24/10/2026 06:59

Spraying around the "cognitive dissonance" label to all and sundry makes you look totally inept.

It’s almost like someone has only just learned this term and is trying to shoehorn it into everything to sound clever or hope that it wins an argument, while not quite understanding what it means.

SidewaysOtter · 24/10/2026 07:01

Datun · 24/10/2026 00:30

It's the barrel scraping.

It's bad enough that she supports women. But the unimaginable wealth, the articulation, eloquence and her wild, global popularity means they've really got fuck all to work with.

So the desperate invention of risible jibber jabber really sticks out a mile

Let them get on with the barrel scraping, the noise is drowning out the kazoos…

Heggettypeg · 24/10/2026 07:24

TakingMyChancesWithTheRabbits · 24/10/2026 05:42

For some reason I ended up singing this to "If I only had a brain" from the Wizard of Oz, despite the fact the second line doesn't quite scan (unless you truncate "state of mind" to just "mind"). Which feels kind of apt, but now I've got that stuck in my head and can't work out what it should be. Can you assist @Heggettypeg ?

It's in a song from the Gilbert and Sullivan opera "Patience" - the one where they're taking the piss out of the Aesthetic Movement. First line: If you're anxious for to shine..

Iamnotalemming · 24/10/2026 08:10

Well this was an enjoyable thread catch up over breakfast. Well done all. I'm off to apply some cognitive dissonance to my work now.

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/10/2026 08:26

She's fabulous. We would have been lost without her. She outplays her detractors 1000%. That's why they hate her so much.

Thank you JKR ♥️

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/10/2026 08:28

Iamnotalemming · 24/10/2026 08:10

Well this was an enjoyable thread catch up over breakfast. Well done all. I'm off to apply some cognitive dissonance to my work now.

It's such a funny thread. Cool with so many pretensions being comprehensively flattened by witty women (plus the odd man).
Thanks all for helping me start the day laughing. 😊

OneoftheWeddingPeople · 24/10/2026 08:51

What’s so funny is the way these inadequates just cannot stand JKR.

Female / older/ intelligent/ clear eyed / truth teller / unapologetically prioritises women /not in need of money or praise. Their absolute worst nightmare. Love it!

GreyskySexRealistsky · 24/10/2026 09:09

MarieDeGournay · 24/10/2026 01:16

Thanks, yes, it could be ce type britannique qui a l'air de se prendre trop au sérieux 🙄
but CoolforKats didn't say who it was the first time, or when I asked for the source, even though I used the magic word, please.
It was an exercise in detective work for us, or something....

Proof, if it were needed, that sex realists do the research, seek the source, check and challenge the validity of the claims. Even when it's some random pompous twat on X.

nutmeg7 · 24/10/2026 09:10

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:21

🔥

"Oh, if we're going to conduct an unforgiving forensic examination of Rowling's movement, I suspect we can do considerably better than her failure to disavow every vile and abusive man who happens to share her contempt for anything remotely resembling "woke". There is a perfectly legitimate criticism buried in your observation, although I'd approach it differently. Our Most Blessed of Joannes is frequently moved to righteous indignation by the treatment of women in Iran and Afghanistan. Yet her public advocacy seems considerably less animated by the suffering of women in Palestine, Saudi Arabia and numerous other countries where women endure appalling violence, coercion and discrimination. Forced marriage, FGM, honour killings and religious fanaticism present ample opportunities for someone professing such an uncompromising commitment to women's liberation. One might reasonably ask what determines the geographical boundaries of her compassion. However, this brings me back to my original point, which is that Rowling has unquestionably done genuine good with her considerable wealth. Through charitable giving, funding organisations and establishing services for survivors of sexual violence, she has made material contributions to the welfare of women whose lives have been devastated by abuse. That is a matter of record. It would be intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise simply because I find much of her contemporary political commentary objectionable. But we must distinguish between the good Rowling can accomplish with her money and the intellectual authority she apparently believes that money confers upon her. And that raises an interesting question. Take away the billions, and what exactly qualifies Rowling as one of the great intellectual authorities on women's rights? She is an immensely successful children's author. An extraordinary commercial phenomenon. She created a fictional universe that captivated generations of readers and generated a merchandising empire of almost unimaginable proportions. Good for her. But she is hardly the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës. Nor would I put her alongside Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker. Even within speculative fiction, I'd struggle to place her in the company of Ursula K. Le Guin or Margaret Atwood. These are, naturally, literary judgements, and others are welcome to disagree. What interests me is the extraordinary tendency to confuse the financial rewards of creative success with evidence of superior intelligence, analytical ability or moral insight. Commercial success is an astonishingly unreliable measure of artistic merit. Talent matters, certainly, but timing, circumstance, marketing and sheer dumb luck play enormous roles in determining who becomes wealthy and who remains obscure. If box-office receipts were a reliable indication of cultural and intellectual importance, we'd be canonising Fast & Furious alongside the works of Henry James, Ernest Hemingway and James Joyce. Vin Diesel would be pulling up outside Trinity College Dublin to deliver the annual lecture on modernist literature. 1/2

There is nothing inherently wrong with writing entertaining books for children. The Harry Potter novels have genuine imaginative qualities, and their contribution to popular reading culture is considerable. But writing an enormously successful fantasy series does not magically endow its creator with the intellectual equipment of a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar or feminist theorist. And this, ultimately, is what I find so revealing about her latest essay. She has written herself into the grand narrative of women's emancipation, apparently convinced that she occupies a position of historical significance comparable to the great figures whose intellectual and political achievements helped transform society. Yet virtually every practical advantage she brings to this struggle derives from the colossal fortune generated by a series of children's books. That fortune can finance lawyers, establish charities, support survivors and change lives. Those contributions deserve to be judged on their actual merits. What it cannot purchase is intellectual authority. And it certainly cannot transform a billionaire's personal convictions into incontrovertible truths merely because she has the means to broadcast them to millions. Rowling's money gives her an extraordinarily powerful voice. The tragedy is how increasingly little intellectual discipline she appears to exercise when using it. 2/2"

You ok? 😂

DialSquare · 24/10/2026 09:22

CoolforKats · 23/10/2026 23:21

🔥

"Oh, if we're going to conduct an unforgiving forensic examination of Rowling's movement, I suspect we can do considerably better than her failure to disavow every vile and abusive man who happens to share her contempt for anything remotely resembling "woke". There is a perfectly legitimate criticism buried in your observation, although I'd approach it differently. Our Most Blessed of Joannes is frequently moved to righteous indignation by the treatment of women in Iran and Afghanistan. Yet her public advocacy seems considerably less animated by the suffering of women in Palestine, Saudi Arabia and numerous other countries where women endure appalling violence, coercion and discrimination. Forced marriage, FGM, honour killings and religious fanaticism present ample opportunities for someone professing such an uncompromising commitment to women's liberation. One might reasonably ask what determines the geographical boundaries of her compassion. However, this brings me back to my original point, which is that Rowling has unquestionably done genuine good with her considerable wealth. Through charitable giving, funding organisations and establishing services for survivors of sexual violence, she has made material contributions to the welfare of women whose lives have been devastated by abuse. That is a matter of record. It would be intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise simply because I find much of her contemporary political commentary objectionable. But we must distinguish between the good Rowling can accomplish with her money and the intellectual authority she apparently believes that money confers upon her. And that raises an interesting question. Take away the billions, and what exactly qualifies Rowling as one of the great intellectual authorities on women's rights? She is an immensely successful children's author. An extraordinary commercial phenomenon. She created a fictional universe that captivated generations of readers and generated a merchandising empire of almost unimaginable proportions. Good for her. But she is hardly the intellectual or literary equivalent of Jane Austen, Mary Shelley or the Brontës. Nor would I put her alongside Maya Angelou, Audre Lorde or Alice Walker. Even within speculative fiction, I'd struggle to place her in the company of Ursula K. Le Guin or Margaret Atwood. These are, naturally, literary judgements, and others are welcome to disagree. What interests me is the extraordinary tendency to confuse the financial rewards of creative success with evidence of superior intelligence, analytical ability or moral insight. Commercial success is an astonishingly unreliable measure of artistic merit. Talent matters, certainly, but timing, circumstance, marketing and sheer dumb luck play enormous roles in determining who becomes wealthy and who remains obscure. If box-office receipts were a reliable indication of cultural and intellectual importance, we'd be canonising Fast & Furious alongside the works of Henry James, Ernest Hemingway and James Joyce. Vin Diesel would be pulling up outside Trinity College Dublin to deliver the annual lecture on modernist literature. 1/2

There is nothing inherently wrong with writing entertaining books for children. The Harry Potter novels have genuine imaginative qualities, and their contribution to popular reading culture is considerable. But writing an enormously successful fantasy series does not magically endow its creator with the intellectual equipment of a political philosopher, social historian, legal scholar or feminist theorist. And this, ultimately, is what I find so revealing about her latest essay. She has written herself into the grand narrative of women's emancipation, apparently convinced that she occupies a position of historical significance comparable to the great figures whose intellectual and political achievements helped transform society. Yet virtually every practical advantage she brings to this struggle derives from the colossal fortune generated by a series of children's books. That fortune can finance lawyers, establish charities, support survivors and change lives. Those contributions deserve to be judged on their actual merits. What it cannot purchase is intellectual authority. And it certainly cannot transform a billionaire's personal convictions into incontrovertible truths merely because she has the means to broadcast them to millions. Rowling's money gives her an extraordinarily powerful voice. The tragedy is how increasingly little intellectual discipline she appears to exercise when using it. 2/2"

Parklife

Helleofabore · 24/10/2026 09:24

It is hilariously sad that people think that whether or not she is a good writer is at all relevant to whether or not she is right about the rights of women and girls.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 24/10/2026 09:29

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/10/2026 08:28

It's such a funny thread. Cool with so many pretensions being comprehensively flattened by witty women (plus the odd man).
Thanks all for helping me start the day laughing. 😊

Yes, I am an odd man. Just not as odd as the really odd ones.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 24/10/2026 09:44

MarieDeGournay · 24/10/2026 00:17

There's only one case where a writer being rich matters to me - her first name is Adrienne.

I see what you did there😀.

DialSquare · 24/10/2026 09:45

Perfect from JKR as per usual.