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A Man in a dress- how would you feel?

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Wooopdiedoo · 16/10/2026 12:30

I'm fairly new here and have only read through a couple of posts, but I wanted to ask a question.

How would you feel if a man you knew wanted to wear "Female" (heavy on the quotation marks) clothing?

I'm specifically talking about a male whose only intention is to wear the dress because they like the dress, nothing else — no statement, no 'changing' of pronouns or wanting to be treated or referred to in any particular way, no mockery, no discussion or intention of 'becoming' a woman (again, quote unquote, not saying it's possible).

Would you genuinely be okay with this, say if your husband/friend/ colleague wearing a dress out in public? Would you have any thoughts or feelings about it, and would these affect what you say to them or how you would act?

I'm not sure how I would respond, honestly, and I know that's probably (definitely) due to my internalisation of 'gendered' norms (by that I man sex based). I think I my knee jerk reaction might be to feel inclined that its somehow not right or looks silly, before reminding myself that its just a piece of fabric and if someone likes what they like on their body, thats kindof the end of it.

On the other hand, I definitely wouldn't have the same reaction to seeing women in any clothing, and my response would always be neutral to positive.

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KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 19:12

PassTheHanky · 21/10/2026 19:05

When women wear trousers they and we know they're just women wearing trousers.

I love a man in a kilt and I thought David Beckham looked good in a sarong. For me they're not an issue because they're men who know they're men (as long as they keep out the women's SSS!)

The issue is when men put on a skirt and then demand that we all accept them as women in all respects.

A kilt is a type of skirt. So what you are actually saying is that kilts are codified as being masculine but all other skirts are feminine and off limits to men. What’s actually changed?

You say you’re perfectly happy with men wearing kilts or sarongs because they’re men who know they’re men. Why do you then therefore assume that a man wearing a skirt or dress doesn’t also know he’s a man? A man’s gender identity doesn’t change because he chooses a different garment. He can be entirely comfortable identifying as a man while wearing a dress. You’re conflating gender expression with gender identity.

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 19:21

KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 15:17

I think you’ve actually provided an excellent historical analogy in support of my entire argument. Women fought for the freedom to wear trousers without having their femininity, womanhood or motives called into question. They rightly challenged the idea that wearing traditionally masculine clothing made them less of a woman.

So why shouldn’t exactly the same principle apply to men? Why should a man wearing a dress have his masculinity, identity, sexuality or psychological motivations questioned simply because he enjoys traditionally feminine clothing? And there’s something else missing from your comparison. Women didn’t overcome those restrictions solely by putting on trousers and enduring prejudice. Society also had to change its attitudes.

The people who disapproved, ridiculed or sought to restrict women’s clothing choices were part of the problem that needed addressing. The same principle applies here. Men wearing dresses openly can certainly help normalise them. But people who insist that men shouldn’t wear them, or who regard them with automatic suspicion, are also helping to maintain the very prejudice that needs to change. They are part of the problem.

That’s particularly relevant to a thread in which some women say they would reject their own husbands for wearing dresses.
Of course nobody is obliged to find a particular style attractive or remain in a relationship. But that doesn’t place personal attitudes beyond examination.

The historical lesson isn’t simply that people facing prejudice must endure it until society catches up. It’s that the prejudice itself deserves to be challenged. Women were right to insist that trousers didn’t make them less feminine or less of a woman. Men deserve the same recognition that dresses don’t make them less masculine or less of a man. Equality means applying that principle in both directions.

Mate. Women are attacked by men every single day.

'almost one in three women have experienced physical and/or sexual violence at least once in their life.'

Women risk assess. Daily. All day long.

Because we have to.

Women's safety, privacy, and dignity does not take second place to some man's desire for self expression.

Don't you dare try to shame women for risk assessing.

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 19:22

Why should a man wearing a dress have his masculinity, identity, sexuality or psychological motivations questioned

All men have all their motivations questioned daily. Because they keep fucking killing us.

Fucking WHINING about it, my god.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/10/2026 19:29

KhakiCritic
Women fought for a long time to establish that wearing trousers didn’t diminish their femininity or womanhood.

What an extraordinary statement. Do you really suppose that Amelia Bloomer in the 1850s was concerned about whether what she wore diminished her femininity? She was a sensible woman who knew full well that fine feathers do not make fine birds. She just wanted not to have to wear skirts that were massively heavy and a considerable handicap to freedom of movement, nor yet corsets that prevented her from breathing properly. So she advocated what was properly known as "rational dress", trousers gathered in at the ankles worn underneath a tunic that was short enough not to constitute a hazard.

Not diminishing my femininity wasn't actually a concern in what I was fighting for, either, nor what my aunt was fighting for when she wanted to wear trousers for her war work between 1939 and 1945. We simply wanted not to suffer the massive nuisance of skirts.

In my case it was wanting to avoid the massive expense of having to buy new tights all the time because they ladder, and also because my legs got very cold, and in my aunt's case she was working on scaffolding and wanted to wear trousers for obvious reasons; she had to get a special certificate from the War Office or some such to permit her to wear them.

It beats me why anyone who doesn't have to wear the blasted things would choose to do so, but men are, as was remarked in Some Like It Hot, a whole different sex.

KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 20:04

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 19:22

Why should a man wearing a dress have his masculinity, identity, sexuality or psychological motivations questioned

All men have all their motivations questioned daily. Because they keep fucking killing us.

Fucking WHINING about it, my god.

Nobody is disputing the seriousness of violence against women, or suggesting that women should stop taking precautions to protect themselves.

Women’s right to safety, privacy and dignity is not in conflict with a man’s freedom to wear a dress in ordinary public life and present as a man, not imitating a woman. It simply isn’t. A man wearing a dress has not, by that fact alone, threatened anyone, violated a boundary or behaved inappropriately.

My question has consistently been why a man’s choice of feminine clothing should itself be treated as evidence of questionable motives. Recognising that women face serious risks from male violence does not answer that question whatsoever. And the original question at the start of this entire thread was about familiar men, e.g. husbands, NOT strangers. Do you accept that?

It should be possible to take women’s safety seriously while also recognising that an individual’s harmless clothing preferences do not establish their character or intentions.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/10/2026 20:08

KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 15:17

I think you’ve actually provided an excellent historical analogy in support of my entire argument. Women fought for the freedom to wear trousers without having their femininity, womanhood or motives called into question. They rightly challenged the idea that wearing traditionally masculine clothing made them less of a woman.

So why shouldn’t exactly the same principle apply to men? Why should a man wearing a dress have his masculinity, identity, sexuality or psychological motivations questioned simply because he enjoys traditionally feminine clothing? And there’s something else missing from your comparison. Women didn’t overcome those restrictions solely by putting on trousers and enduring prejudice. Society also had to change its attitudes.

The people who disapproved, ridiculed or sought to restrict women’s clothing choices were part of the problem that needed addressing. The same principle applies here. Men wearing dresses openly can certainly help normalise them. But people who insist that men shouldn’t wear them, or who regard them with automatic suspicion, are also helping to maintain the very prejudice that needs to change. They are part of the problem.

That’s particularly relevant to a thread in which some women say they would reject their own husbands for wearing dresses.
Of course nobody is obliged to find a particular style attractive or remain in a relationship. But that doesn’t place personal attitudes beyond examination.

The historical lesson isn’t simply that people facing prejudice must endure it until society catches up. It’s that the prejudice itself deserves to be challenged. Women were right to insist that trousers didn’t make them less feminine or less of a woman. Men deserve the same recognition that dresses don’t make them less masculine or less of a man. Equality means applying that principle in both directions.

I think you’ve actually provided an excellent historical analogy in support of my entire argument. Women fought for the freedom to wear trousers without having their femininity, womanhood or motives called into question.

LOL. And with that one sentence right there, you prove you know nothing at all about the reality of women's history. You are just spouting assumptions about what you think probably happened.

Go back, do some research, look at how the first women to wear male-coded (for the time) clothes were actually treated and talked about. Don't assume just because something made sense in your head, it's the actual reality.

I think you fully proved my point about men telling women what's what rather than listening to us. Even when it's about our own experiences.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/10/2026 20:20

FlirtsWithRhinos
I think you fully proved my point about men telling women what's what rather than listening to us. Even when it's about our own experiences.

My first-hand experience is unworthy of response, perhaps. Or maybe I simply don't know what I thought, and lack instruction in how to think rightly. Or something.

Amelia Bloomer went back to wearing skirts when they stopped being so confoundedly heavy and inconvenient. And her going back to them had nothing to do with perceptions of femininity either, as far as can be told from her writing on the subject.

(Whose perceptions of femininity anyhow? My bet would be, men's.)

Manteiga · 21/10/2026 20:42

Found a website with some actual men's dresses for sale (at eye-watering prices):

https://www.haruco-vert.com/product-category/sustainable-mens-designer-clothing/mens-designer-dresses/

Didn't think these were so bad on the whole - though some clearly more for the nightclub than for popping down to the shops. At least none of the models looks like he's parodying a woman.

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UnaPersson · 21/10/2026 20:53

Manteiga · 21/10/2026 20:42

Found a website with some actual men's dresses for sale (at eye-watering prices):

https://www.haruco-vert.com/product-category/sustainable-mens-designer-clothing/mens-designer-dresses/

Didn't think these were so bad on the whole - though some clearly more for the nightclub than for popping down to the shops. At least none of the models looks like he's parodying a woman.

They look mostly all right. The summer we've just had, it's sort of understandable not to want to wear trousers, but someone may not want the exposure of shorts.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/10/2026 21:00

UnaPersson · 21/10/2026 20:53

They look mostly all right. The summer we've just had, it's sort of understandable not to want to wear trousers, but someone may not want the exposure of shorts.

I think what makes them (as modelled) not "men pretending to be women" is mostly the footwear!

MagpiePi · 21/10/2026 21:02

Coatsoff42 · 21/10/2026 13:26

@KhakiCritic if you saw a man in a dress would you consider that they might be a transwoman? Or would you assume they are a man?

A man and a transwoman are the same thing.

Manteiga · 21/10/2026 21:10

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/10/2026 21:00

I think what makes them (as modelled) not "men pretending to be women" is mostly the footwear!

😁I think even if you put your hand over the Doc Martens they're still a far cry from - from various "transwomen" who've featured on this board over the year.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/10/2026 21:13

They are indeed, but the boots are a definite clincher.

I like the ones that look as if they were inspired by Russian court jackets of the 1850s, but lengthened. (But I was a sucker for the Dr Zhivago buttoned and belted coats that were around in the late sixties.)

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 22:05

KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 20:04

Nobody is disputing the seriousness of violence against women, or suggesting that women should stop taking precautions to protect themselves.

Women’s right to safety, privacy and dignity is not in conflict with a man’s freedom to wear a dress in ordinary public life and present as a man, not imitating a woman. It simply isn’t. A man wearing a dress has not, by that fact alone, threatened anyone, violated a boundary or behaved inappropriately.

My question has consistently been why a man’s choice of feminine clothing should itself be treated as evidence of questionable motives. Recognising that women face serious risks from male violence does not answer that question whatsoever. And the original question at the start of this entire thread was about familiar men, e.g. husbands, NOT strangers. Do you accept that?

It should be possible to take women’s safety seriously while also recognising that an individual’s harmless clothing preferences do not establish their character or intentions.

My question has consistently been why a man’s choice of feminine clothing should itself be treated as evidence of questionable motives.

Prison numbers for crossdressing men who have committed sex crimes are one reason.

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 22:10

Manteiga · 21/10/2026 20:42

Found a website with some actual men's dresses for sale (at eye-watering prices):

https://www.haruco-vert.com/product-category/sustainable-mens-designer-clothing/mens-designer-dresses/

Didn't think these were so bad on the whole - though some clearly more for the nightclub than for popping down to the shops. At least none of the models looks like he's parodying a woman.

Yeah they mostly look fine. Not sure about macrame clothing, though.

Vargas · 21/10/2026 22:21

If it was my brother I’d grit my teeth and bear it. If it was my husband - I’d be out. Sorry but that’s a big ICK from me.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/10/2026 22:25

If it were my husband I might wonder if this was in fact the tip of an iceberg happening before my very eyes, to be honest.

Manteiga · 21/10/2026 22:27

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 22:10

Yeah they mostly look fine. Not sure about macrame clothing, though.

Yea, that does look silly. And then there's dressing like Sean Bean's character in Accused:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/12/32/uktv_sean_bean_accused_1.jpg

https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/12/32/uktv_sean_bean_accused_1.jpg

Manteiga · 21/10/2026 23:23

If I had a point, it's that the claim that a man's "only intention is to wear the dress because they like the dress, nothing else" will stretch credulity in some cases.

Heggettypeg · 21/10/2026 23:36

KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 20:04

Nobody is disputing the seriousness of violence against women, or suggesting that women should stop taking precautions to protect themselves.

Women’s right to safety, privacy and dignity is not in conflict with a man’s freedom to wear a dress in ordinary public life and present as a man, not imitating a woman. It simply isn’t. A man wearing a dress has not, by that fact alone, threatened anyone, violated a boundary or behaved inappropriately.

My question has consistently been why a man’s choice of feminine clothing should itself be treated as evidence of questionable motives. Recognising that women face serious risks from male violence does not answer that question whatsoever. And the original question at the start of this entire thread was about familiar men, e.g. husbands, NOT strangers. Do you accept that?

It should be possible to take women’s safety seriously while also recognising that an individual’s harmless clothing preferences do not establish their character or intentions.

An analogy:

Imagine you are a non-white immigrant to the UK. You have some personal experience of racism, and an awareness of UK news in the media. At a time not associated with a football match, and not near St George's day, your neighbour puts up a St. George's flag in his front garden. Which of the following responses on your part would you regard as justifiable:

A. I wonder whether his vision of England has a place for people like me ( no assumption either way).

B. I am worried his vision may not have a place for people like me

C. I suspect that his vision probably doesn't include people like me.

D. I assume he absolutely is a racist.

I'm guessing D would be off limits for you ( as it would be for me, since it is assuming knowledge one simply doesn't have), but what about A, B and C? How pessimistic are you allowed to be about something which has been known to signal hostility and danger to people like yourself?

PollyNomial · 22/10/2026 00:54

Heggettypeg · 21/10/2026 23:36

An analogy:

Imagine you are a non-white immigrant to the UK. You have some personal experience of racism, and an awareness of UK news in the media. At a time not associated with a football match, and not near St George's day, your neighbour puts up a St. George's flag in his front garden. Which of the following responses on your part would you regard as justifiable:

A. I wonder whether his vision of England has a place for people like me ( no assumption either way).

B. I am worried his vision may not have a place for people like me

C. I suspect that his vision probably doesn't include people like me.

D. I assume he absolutely is a racist.

I'm guessing D would be off limits for you ( as it would be for me, since it is assuming knowledge one simply doesn't have), but what about A, B and C? How pessimistic are you allowed to be about something which has been known to signal hostility and danger to people like yourself?

What ethnicity and nationality is the neighbour?

Coatsoff42 · 22/10/2026 08:15

MagpiePi · 21/10/2026 21:02

A man and a transwoman are the same thing.

You and I know that. Some people are still tying themselves in knots.

TrappedByThisDesk · 22/10/2026 08:47

KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 18:43

I think given what you’ve said, you’ve actually identified one of the key parts of the entire issue. You say that a man wearing a dress is transgressing a taboo, and that transgressing a social norm makes him instinctively suspicious. But isn’t that precisely how prejudice perpetuates itself?

Society discourages men from wearing feminine clothing, so it remains unusual. Because it’s unusual, people regard it with suspicion and that suspicion then discourages more men from wearing it.

People can have instinctive reactions to unfamiliar things and that’s to be expected to an extent. But in explaining those reactions it doesn’t make the assumptions that sit behind them fair or accurate.

I’m also struck by the “conditions” you’re placing on acceptance. Why should a man have to restrict himself to particular styles? Women can wear leather skirts, fishnets, satin or lace without those garments automatically establishing their motives. Why should men be judged differently? And why shouldn’t a man wear an off-the-peg dress if it fits him and he likes it?

Clothing fit is an engineering question and linked to a body shape and men and women can actually have similar shapes. Change also requires people to question the assumptions that make an ordinary clothing preference seem suspicious in the first place.

Women who challenged clothing conventions didn’t win acceptance by waiting until everyone was comfortable. They challenged the conventions themselves and the right to make a harmless choice should not be dictated by everyone else’s comfort.

isn’t that precisely how prejudice perpetuates itself?
People can have instinctive reactions to unfamiliar things and that’s to be expected to an extent. But in explaining those reactions it doesn’t make the assumptions that sit behind them fair or accurate.

Your language is minimising.
Women's wariness around transgressing men is not just 'prejudice'. It is not for anyone to judge whether her reaction is 'fair or accurate'.
It is a basic survival instinct.

We are talking about women being raped and murdered at worst, or otherwise groped, rubbed against, leered at, joked about, disparaged, or otherwise made to feel threatened, belittled, and undermined.

You have absolutely no clue what it is like to be a woman.

ArabellaScott · 22/10/2026 09:01

'prejudice' and 'discrimination' have become dirty words and are here being used to attack women who are talking about their safety.

'prejudice' is why a woman will be wary in a car park late at night when a man comes up fast behind her.

Without prejudgement we'd be either paralysed with indecision or laying ourselves open to incredibly risky decisions.

And as we see with the EA, discrimination is sometimes justified. Single sex services and spaces are a legally sanctioned form of discrimination.

Men trying to undermine women's safety are a parade of red flags.

TrappedByThisDesk · 22/10/2026 09:01

KhakiCritic · 21/10/2026 18:50

Something important seems to have been lost in this discussion. The original question concerned a woman with a man she knows well such as her husband who decides he wants to wear dresses. We are talking about someone she knows intimately, whose character, behaviour and treatment of her she has experienced over many years.

And somehow the thread has increasingly shifted towards whether an unfamiliar man wearing a dress might be sexually motivated, creepy or dangerous. Those are very different situations. I fully understand that women may exercise caution around unfamiliar men, but it does not explain a woman rejecting a husband she knows to be loving, respectful and trustworthy simply because she discovers he enjoys wearing feminine clothing?

If his behaviour, character and identity haven’t changed, why should enjoying a dress suddenly call his masculinity, motives or worth as a partner into question? Surely that brings us back to the actual issue: the expectations society places on men, and the difficulty some people have accepting femininity in a man who is known extremely well.

Because a man who suddenly decides to wear dresses has fundamentally moved the goalposts. He has changed the parameters of the marriage.

This is not like him deciding to ditch the shirts and only wear t-shirts instead, or ditch the trainers and wear leather shoes.
By wearing dresses, he is crossing that huge social taboo discussed upthread, and signalling a choice that is a hair's breadth from him becoming something like non binary or a transwoman.
She now feels that she doesn't know him after all, even though they have been married for decades.