Men at David Lloyd, moaning and whining because the spa is female only for 2 measly hours a week

[Lemieux7]

🙄 sorry about DM link - it’s the only one not behind a paywall. Men on the Facebook group are saying that women should join female only gyms.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16211821/amp/David-Lloyd-sparks-equality-row-excluding-men.html

My view posted earlier is "I can see why men would be pissed off then. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd be fed up." So I do actually share your view.

What a bizarrely aggressive response!

Aye. He's fuming.

The problem with men's only sauna sessions, men's only gyms, men's swimming sessions etc is that few heterosexual men are interested in using them. Plenty of women are willing to pay to use women's only services for reasons of comfort, safety and dignity, but men are far less likely to feel uncomfortable or unsafe in a mixed-sex environment.

It's lawful discrimination in line with the provisions of the Equality Act. I'm sorry you aren't allowed to be racist for 2 hours a week, but no one thought that would be necessary when drafting the legislation.

Do you think it's ok to be racist for two hours a week?

Would your boyfriend attend a men-only slot?

I definitely think it would be fair to offer that as well if men wanted it.

Where did I say I want to be racist? I abhor racism. And sexism. I don't see what some people think one is acceptable and the other not. Hypocrisy at its worst.

It's not relevant whether he would attend a men only slot. He is one man and cannot speak for all men.

You don't appear to understand equality legislation, and you seem slightly over-invested in whether anyone can be racist for 2 hours a week.

What are the statistics for sex crimes in David Lloyd clubs?

PastMidnight appears to think that equailty is exactly the same provision for women and for men. The rest of us see that a meagre 2hr slot for women helps to provide equity.

I got chatting to a Muslim man quite recently about swimming and saunas who said he loved them but he didn't go any more since the gym he went to dropped the male-only sessions. So absolutely, put on male-only sessions, and see if there's demand.

I know you think that’s a clever “gotcha” question, but in fact it only serves to highlight your lack of understanding of the Equality Act. Others have already tried to explain to you how the gym’s position is lawful; your refusal to accept or understand that is your own problem, I’m afraid.

I would attend a women-only session.
I am not speaking for all women, just for myself.

If the interest in there for a men-only session, they should ask for one.

Why are you asking for David Lloyd specifically? Wouldn't it make more sense to ask about sex crimes in saunas? Unless, perhaps, you're trying to imply that men who can afford David Lloyd fees are far too genteel to commit sex crimes? You think thst only working-class men at council facilities can do so?

Mumsnet and the classism never changes, does it. Oddly, just a couple of years ago, newspapers were reporting on incidents happening in the sauna of a club that was the preserve of the extremely rich. Let me see if I can find a link.

https://archive.is/sooXy

@Lemieux7 wrote:
"Men on the Facebook group are saying that women should join female only gyms."

I'd bet those same men would also complain more generally about the existence of female only gyms.

Thank you for your patronising reply.

Nowhere have I said that the gym's position is unlawful.

Equality is not achieved through more discrimination.

Nowhere have I referred to, or argued about, the legislation.

Do you think it's ok to be racist for 'only' two hours a week? If not, why do you think it's ok to be sexist for 'only' two hours a week?

Goodness me, how on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?

I asked about David Lloyd because that's the club we're discussing but fine, give me the stats for sex crimes taking place in ALL saunas and we can discuss those. I'll look out for your reply.

Do you think that women-only changing areas are sexist?

I cannot stand being in a sauna with random men. They are gross they are pervy. You can tell me different, I am sure you will, it's when some MN posters are in their element. However men in women's saunas, no thanks. Go to a mixed one if you don't mind.

A gym which has a female only classes, hours, will do well. Many women want this. And those who don't, have the rest of the time.

Sure have similar men's ones too, whatever, couldn't care less not my issue.

That is a false equivalence if ever there was one.

You can argue that way all you like. You won't win because, legally, you're wrong.

If you, and others, demonstrate it will lose more business than it gains, they'll listen to you.