Redvers v NHS Sussex Integrated Care Board & Mr Adam Doyle Thread 2

[fanOfBen]

Minimal thread-starting:
TT:
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/redvers-v-nhs-sussex-integrated-care

Thread 1:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5586672-wellbn-brighton-gp-practice-do-not-believe-in-evidence-based-medicine-tt-at-employment-tribunal-tomorrow

I don't doubt it can be found. But if it has to be retrieved from a deleted folder then there are even more questions to be answered.

This is 100% true. The private sector would not put up with this .

How very convenient that Doyle's diary happens to be irretrievable. Can you believe it?

If I were the judge I'd hold that against them and just assume it was damning. IANAL though (probably a good thing).

Shall not should

A fudge

Today afternoon part one:
https://archive.ph/LY1iD

Today Afternoon part two:

Still not appeared and I have things to do

TT substack:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-218906910

I know! Fabulous!! In the absence of a curious national press (yet more lack of curiosity or rather the fear of offending their own in-house gender fascists) thank goodness that NC is making this more public.

Get off that fence, Naomi, and tell us what you really think

J I find this surprising to the point ... I don;t want to say unbelievable but I am very surprised they cannot be found.

When a judge says i don't want to say unbelievable does this really mean i don't believe you

Davy Jones locker strikes again.

Thank you all for the commentary and threads. I couldn't bear to read without the splashes of humour.

The smelling-salts have just brought me back to consciousness - Naomi
Cunningham said 'All off their tits on gender Kool-Aid.'??'😮

I know she says words like 'fuck' but she says them in a professional capacity and what I guess is a fairly posh voice [I've never heard her speak, but I gather from comments..] but 'off their tits' ...😂😂😂

I want 'off their tits on gender Kool-Aid - N. Cunningham' on a t-shirt please, size M😁
On reflection, could I have the slogan printed on the back, not the front please😒

OMG this made me me laugh so much - glad you realised 5he slogan needs to go on the back 😂

I've not read the full thing yet, but from the summaries I've seen it's just a republishing of the 2009 single sex accommodation guidelines with Annex B snipped out. Shouldn't have taken them more than 10 minutes.

I think 'should' is OK in this case, knowing how it's usually used in NHS guidance. 'Must' is very strong and tends to be reserved for things like risk to life. It's clear that if 'should' isn't followed it's reportable.

Nick Wallis posts about Dr Gill keeping the audit quiet...

https://genderblog.net/did-nhs-chief-medical-officer-suppress-puberty-blocker-information/

Did you say Annex B has gone?!? The one that said trans people can choose to be in the ward for whichever sex they like? Where are the Bigly Letters when I need them? Dumping Annex B in the dustbin of history calls for real celebration!

How come in that article, males get the moniker ‘transwomen’, whilst actual women only get females. Talk about deceit and dehumanisation.

Surely, it is all males are barred from female only services. Or all men are barred from women only services. Sick of this weirdness of the only ones being called women being men. And female could just as well be the cat’s mother! Women describe the human female.

Imagining the wonderful Naomi saying 'off their tits on gender Kool-Aid' in that impeccable accent is filling me with joy.

I was referring to the article in the Telegraph. The headline, and early paragraph(s). They write about ‘transwomen’ and females. This misuse of the word women, to describe men in any form, then leads to word not being used in relation to actual women.

This is 100% true. The private sector would not put up with this .

Not 100% true. Reference the Leonardo ET. That was a large private firm and just as captured, made worse perhaps by being male dominated.

Off the top of my head there was a private hospital that cancelled a woman's surgery because she wanted female only care.

Surely none of us can be in the least bit surprised that NHS Sussex were busily destroying evidence left right and centre. It's been a recurring theme in all these cases.

That's a very memorable one:
"She told the Daily Telegraph: ‘I was very traumatised and on the point of collapse following the cancellation. An abscess that had not been visible on scans only a short time earlier had suddenly appeared.
‘They endangered my life by cancelling that operation.’ Ms Steele had required single-sex lavatories and said she would not discuss pronouns in her admission forms for her operation on October 10 last year. She believes she was ‘targeted’ over her gender-critical views when a trans nurse ‘wearing a blonde wig and bright scarlet lipstick’ and not involved in her care entered her private examination room."

Are you familiar with Joyce Grenfell? NC's voice is a more modern version of that beautifully enunciated clipped-drawl. Not an exact match, but her saying the words would have much the same effect.

I need to read the whole original document - to be sure it's gone rather than hidden - before I put my dancing shoes on, but that seems to be the case from the reports & press releases.

You’re so right. There is a weird belief among some posters that only the public sector (and therefore, the left) has been vulnerable to this. It’s ridiculous, because the underlying issue is SEXISM, which exists on both right and left and in public and private sector workplaces. We need to be vigilant against creeping sexism from our own in all political tribes.

I remember this, it was outrageous.