Redvers v NHS Sussex Integrated Care Board & Mr Adam Doyle Thread 2

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Minimal thread-starting:
TT:
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/redvers-v-nhs-sussex-integrated-care

Thread 1:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5586672-wellbn-brighton-gp-practice-do-not-believe-in-evidence-based-medicine-tt-at-employment-tribunal-tomorrow

From TT:

CM LB says that as a black woman, at times, things can get out of hand, there have been times she took off an NHS badge because she was aware that the NHS was seen as transphobic. Your staff need to hide NHS badges?
AD As you know I had a close working relationship with LB at the B&H CCG, she was active raising issues of race and ethnic diversity. I would have hoped she would have raised these with me.

Anyone else think the judge sounds a bit like Olivia Colman?

From TT:

CM p3362. Final document, thoughts from D Cass. Para20.50. Dr Cass: I am aware of strong views; and urge all to be mindful we are dealing with children and families, and the need to treat them w/ respect and compassion they deserve. Do you accept you failed to show Dr Redvers the same compassion and respect?D I regret AD i/x and what happened and also THIB.

The apology I gave after Durant outcome was genuine even if C may not have experienced it that way. I know many people will judge whether correct or not. I left that meeting thinking ... The THIC matter was wrong and I recognise org response to that should have been better.

It's no wonder the NHS is in a complete mess with numpties like this in charge..

This. The genderwang shit show is bad enough. It also throws light on why the NHS is so ineffective across the board. It’s because it has incompetent, lazy, complacent tits like this at the top of the hierarchy.

Lived experience...btw, the lived experience of women (changing rooms/rape crisis centres/breastfeeding groups/prisons/etc) re (that's for you, @MyAmpleSheep🙂) the inclusion of TiM in them, never seems to be raised or seen to have any importance.

Single-sex services
The guidance reiterates that the revised EHRC Code clarifies that single-sex services, such as hospital accommodation, should be provided on the basis of biological sex.
A breach of the same-sex accommodation guidance occurs at the point when one (or more) of the following principles is not met:

Women should not have to share sleeping accommodation with men. Men should not have to share sleeping accommodation with women.
Women should not have to share toilet or bathroom facilities with men. Men should not have to share toilet or bathroom facilities with women.
Women should not have to walk through an area occupied by men to reach toilets or bathrooms, excluding corridors. Men should not have to walk through an area occupied by women to reach toilets or bathrooms, excluding corridors.
Women-only day rooms should be provided in mental health inpatient units.

'Women should not have to' - I feel a fudge is on the horizon...

I do hope the judge has some questions following perusal of his diary. Although someone said up-thread that might have happened first thing this morning before they let observers in. Given it was unredacted I can see why she might have wanted to do it that way.

From TT:

[Concludes Cross_
J Comfort break Mr Williams?

I hope that the Judge doesn't adopt Colman's be kind and I'm mad me persona!

Can't help reading MLF as MILF, which is a bit disorientating.

Yes, far too many 'shoulds' and not enough 'musts'.

Wow! NHS seen as transphobic. Tbf I can believe that as everything is transphobic, but she removed her badge!? What was she afraid of, exactly how unhinged are tras? I thought GC people were the far-right funded*, hateful bigots who were literally nazis and responsible for genocide.

*still waiting for my stipend though

I've been reading along with the odd interlude of catching Latest in the DT when I saw the NHS guidelines had at last been issued, 18 months late. I was interested to see in the Comments a reference to this ET and how embedded GI is in the NHS.

Oh that's disappointing. Really should be must not should

It might be all that testosterone?

I would love to know what she was like before her come to T moment.

Should be must not should? Not must be must not should?

Wondering about that comment where LB said ‘as a black woman’ she sometimes removed her badge because the NHS is sometimes seen as transphobic’. (Paraphrased, but that is the gist). I don’t quite understand the connection.

Wonder if LB took her NHS badge off because of the issues of maternal outcomes for women. There are even worse outcomes for black women as a group, too.

Real damage, to real women and their babies. That’d be a thing to get outraged about. However, women are not the fashion. Never the fashion.

Back in the room

AD back in his chair of doom

Judge about to Q him.

I could not work out how to write it!!.

If you phoned in to the hearing...

We can hear you.

Yes yes, this is all well and good, but won't somebody think of the Isla Bumbas of this world?

How will the poor mite be able to amend her expert DEI guidance given there is no earthly way to tell males and females apart.

This is a disaster, I tells ya! <shakes fist angrily yet ineffectually>

From TT:

[We return.]
J OK thank you. I have managed to prune Qs. General one, I think I understand abbreviations and org but HCP?
AD Tricky for me too. When Health ICB took over legal commisisoning for an area, and also est ICP, comprising LAs and ICB. A board level approach. My chair and three LAs

J SO SHCP? Sussex HCP?
AD yes
J Thank you. Re outside business relationship DA and MP? Did you know about this?
AD no
J When aware?
AD end of 2022. 2023? Can't think of a time.

J I understand your position of IX and report. rRe report, where was it kept?
AD WHen Id read it I didn;t know what to do spoke to Chair. By the time we talked there was Cs Gx
J Once you get Durant and it's clear its flawed wheat then?
AD Per Durant, once its clear and no decision it sits in the ether.
J NO positive decision
AD not that I can point to

J Your email to Galliano, 12 January [?] First of all you have been taken to it .. you reference distress to compainant DSH at this state. You don't ref distress of Dr Redvers?
AD yes I can see
J Under heading managing complaints. First BP; reads: you will appreciate could cause risk to orgs and parties, will need to understand? What are risks?
AD When an allegation about a colleague outside organisation; NHSE and GMC were aware and interested parties.

That's probably the same for the NHS. I can't think of another reason why they would take 18 months ...

Judge finished

Couple of qs from the other bloke