‘Woman’ missing in Southampton

[HannahinHampshire]

Now I hope that this person is found safe and well - but this is not a woman! Why is Samantha being described as a woman? This helps no one, neither the person who is missing nor those searching for him.
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/26633982.urgent-search-missing-woman-last-seen-southampton/

If anyone wants to follow it’s on this thread. I’m not ashamed of anything I said and I absolutely stand by it all (except for blaming JKR for making me eat too much toast)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5585744-things-jk-rowling-has-shamefully-refused-to-comment-on?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

It came back up when the person who said the horrible comments came back to express a load of concern that felt EXTEMELY dishonest and creepy, given their earlier jokes. I have no idea why @Ereshkigalangcleg got invested in defending them.

Yes, a “trans woman” would at least make the point that you would be looking for a man who might alternatively present as a man or be wearing traditionally female coded clothes.

But what difference does it make in this context?

People who know Samantha will keep an eye out for Samantha. People who don't will use the photo supplied.

That’s not what happened though. I know truth doesn’t feature heavily in Gender Ideology and its defenders but people have eyes and can read. A reminder.

But you didn't have anything constructive to say when you revived the thread? Just a sarcastic laughing emoji.

When I saw the thread had been revived I thought there was some positive news. Not all this fighting!

For the record, you were wrong to attribute that particular comment to Alucard. It was the preceding poster. The end.

And if you’re driving along in your car listening to the radio and they describe a missing woman Samantha, 6’4 (or however tall they are), wearing a blue dress blah blah. Who do you think people will look for?

But the police aren't interested in the public randomly reporting any trans women they come across - how would that help? They are looking for a particular person whose photograph they have released. Surely if you were keeping an eye out you'd be doing that based on the photo?

Surely "transvestite" is the correct term, with no possibility of doubt ?

Because Samantha might not be presenting as a “woman”, as appears to be the case in later photos. This is for other people, the public. They see a man. And that means they’re going to comment on that, because it’s clearly ridiculous.

I think you’re confusing threads re how this restarted.

and we have established that one poster said tuberous and @Alucard55 joined in the joke and added something about testicles. Then she came back like ‘oh no, hope Samantha is found’ and I thought it was a completely disgusting little performance, and said so.

I am confused about your point.

People who know Samantha will look out for Samantha

People who don't know Samantha will be looking out for a woman (noun: adult female), not a transwoman (noun: man who thinks they are a woman).

Surely it would be better to describe Samantha as a transwoman for people to find them rather than a woman, which could cause confusion.

Transwoman is not a slur, so in a situation where a vulnerable person is a risk it is imporant to communicate clearly- woudl you agree?

So if they described Samantha as a 6 foot bloke (rather than a woman) you'd just start reporting all 6' blokes you saw as you drove along?

Because, as evidenced by every comments section on social media, it takes the focus off that a vulnerable man is missing when using inaccurate descriptors. Every comment section it’s ’that’s clearly not a woman’. That’s what happens when you’re asked to suspend material reality with your own eyes.

If the descriptor had been ‘Samantha is a male that identifies and stereotypically dresses in feminine clothes’ there would be no room for the above. The focus would be where it should’ve been in the first place.

I still can’t believe this needs to be pointed out .

This thread is about how incorrectly describing a missing person as a woman when they are a transwoman, or trans identifying man, means the general public is much less likely to identify Samantha so the relevant authorities can help.

If I see a 6' heavy set man at a bus stop, wearing a frock, I might think "I wonder if that's the missing transwoman I heard about on the radio just now."

I sure as hell wouldn't think "I wonder if that obviously male person is the missing woman."

@Canadanian is missing the point and picking fights. The issue is that describing Samantha as a woman, not a transwoman, makes them less likely to be spotted by a member of the public.

It’s trans woman. It’s an adjective.

’Samantha is a 6’4 male with long blonde dyed hair who identifies as a woman who wears stereotypical feminine dress, last seen wearing a blue flowery dress and red heels’.

So no. Obviously.

My point is that you can't just look out for "a woman" - the world is full of them. Whether you describe Samantha as a woman, or a man, or a banana, people will keep a look out based on the photograph supplied.

No, I'm not confusing anything.

You revived the thread yesterday at 20:43 with a laughing emoji in response to a different poster.
Alucard joined the thread, you didn't like that and so it all kicked off.

You have done more to highlight that horrible "breasts" comment than anyone else. I'm sure that was not your intention.

Exactly.

And if that picture was taken a year ago? A picture is only as relevant at the time it was taken. The correct sex of a person would be a good starter. Dress up can be changed.

And if the man in the photo is no longer in a dress, people are unlikely to recognise him as a “missing woman”.

The authorities need to stop gaslighting the public that people believe men can be women. Most people don’t. As @AccidentallyWesAnderson says, that then becomes the focus.

Ah I see your point.

I disagree; I think people will be much more likely to find Samantha if we know that she is a transwoman rather than a woman. As you say there are a lot more women, than transwomen and this point of different may a) make him more obvious, and b) help people approach him appropriately

I agree with @AccidentallyWesAnderson saying an appropriate description is that Samantha is Male, 55 and 6ft but often wears feminine clothing and considers themself transgender will make him easier to find.

Why couldn't they just say Missing person Samantha, may be presenting as male or female? With or without the name.

Missing woman is a joke. Missing transwoman would be ok but still potentially misleading if he is currently presenting male.