Can you be a fully trans inclusive feminist?

[Imdunfer]

Inspired from another thread where it was out of place so I brought it here.

Someone seemed to claim that it was possible to be both be a feminist and to be trans inclusive, where by trans inclusive they mean males in women's spaces and shortlists (the attitude to sport wasn't stated).

I don't believe that you can truly be both, do you?

“I am not a woman because I ‘choose to be a woman’, but because society places me into the category of ‘woman’.“

It is the same passive action that we saw from the male poster who kept telling us that everyone treated him as a woman so therefore he was.

They obviously all read the same philosophical theory texts.

It is really concerning though that there are women who actually accept these male people’s philosophising as being material reality that must be affirmed. And usually with a breezily dismissive ‘live and let live.

Or that terminally cyclical, they know themselves so we must listen to them.

Or the equally terminal clique (and hypocrisy) is we cannot know what they experience so who are we to judge.

Or the ludicrous gaslighting that is someone declaring that a male person demanding female language has no negative impact on any female person at all. Which is completely illogical but yet, some posters will again dismiss it as being just ‘opinion’!

They're the same annoying types who accuse us of not being gender critical because we supposedly hold people to exacting gender standards.

Like they can't tell the difference between insisting on the wearing/not wearing of a dress and lipstick, and noting whether someone has a gross male phenotype shaped by androgenisation in the perinatal and pubertal phases.