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FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/10/2026 12:11

I do also think (and possibly it needs its own thread), but a lot of the fashion trends for young women leaning heavily into “natural” could be a quiet protest at the idea pushed by many trans rights activists that effectively “woman is a costume”. The way the trends are going, the “costume” is going to be bloody hard for anyone born male to achieve if they go widespread. (Won’t someone think of the poor men who want to quickly signify they are in girl mode! ) in that context, perhaps it’s not surprising the bbc are picking up on this trend as a problem .

SeedsOfReason · 02/10/2026 12:12

I'm glad the BBC article was pulled.

I feel quite angry at the idea the default state for a woman's nails should be decorated, or else she's sending out some message.

I don't do anything with mine bar clipping them once a week - I hate my nails being messed about with.

Shrigley · 02/10/2026 12:14

I agree with @guinnessguzzler - the original article was interesting and didn't actually say that women with bare nails are white supremacists. It was more about how perceptions of particular trends relate to race and class.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:17

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/10/2026 12:11

I do also think (and possibly it needs its own thread), but a lot of the fashion trends for young women leaning heavily into “natural” could be a quiet protest at the idea pushed by many trans rights activists that effectively “woman is a costume”. The way the trends are going, the “costume” is going to be bloody hard for anyone born male to achieve if they go widespread. (Won’t someone think of the poor men who want to quickly signify they are in girl mode! ) in that context, perhaps it’s not surprising the bbc are picking up on this trend as a problem .

That’s an interesting point. I remember the TRAs and their friends getting annoyed about a decade ago because Will Smith’s son chose to wear a skirt to an event and it was confusing. They very much framed it as he was being unhelpful to TIMs.

onedayillmoveon · 02/10/2026 12:17

Nightmanagerfan · 02/10/2026 10:08

I read that article and found it so bizarre that I couldn’t even really process what it was trying to say. I am not surprised it got pulled

What kind of journalist is that woman? How does she even keep her job? Does she not have anything better to write about?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:19

Shrigley · 02/10/2026 12:14

I agree with @guinnessguzzler - the original article was interesting and didn't actually say that women with bare nails are white supremacists. It was more about how perceptions of particular trends relate to race and class.

Someone quoted used the term “white supremacist” to describe fingernail trends, which is very silly even if the article did make any good points.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:20

It’s as silly as that idiot Labour MP’s black Labrador gaffe.

GingerBeverage · 02/10/2026 12:20

ElBandito · 02/10/2026 10:25

Elsewhere on the BBC site are articles linking nail bars to modern day slavery and people tracking.

And money laundering. They're always cash in hand, aren't they?

EllieQ · 02/10/2026 12:20

I’ve found a site that has posted a copy of the article, and it does go into some more background about the trend for manicures than the quotes in the articles about the original article.

Copy of BBC article

PlantainArama · 02/10/2026 12:23

The class signifier angle is far more interesting and quite relevant to the UK. Although even that ignores the experience of the many women who actually genuinely don't have the spare £30. And in London, I really couldn't call nurses privileged.

Would you not have to look quite close to ascertain the difference between simply "clean nails" and "bare nail trend manicure"? Or would you make an assumption based on other aspects of appearance?

On fashion being political, maybe. I'm certainly trying to boycott various brands for reasons you could say are political, although as I'll happily wear old or second hand items from these brands, that is very much a personal decision not a signifier to others.

However, back when I believed the Guardian was as left wing as I am, I never really understood why their fashion and lifestyle pages touted the same expensive consumerist stuff I can't afford, just ike the Telegraph or Times.

HoldMyWine · 02/10/2026 12:25

ApplebyArrows · 02/10/2026 10:28

For this type of person, it seems, copying black people is cultural appropriation, and not copying black people is white supremacy.

I was about to say the same.

Shrigley · 02/10/2026 12:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:19

Someone quoted used the term “white supremacist” to describe fingernail trends, which is very silly even if the article did make any good points.

The quote is "[Bare nails] are often called elegant or tasteful and these are often usually euphemisms that perpetuate white supremacist standards of beauty." That is not the same as saying that having bare nails makes you a white supremacist. The point being made is about the perception that a trend more popular with white women is elegant and tasteful (unlike a trend more popular with black women) could perpetuate the notion that white beauty standards are superior to black.

Not sure whether I agree or not but it's a very different point to "having bare nails = racist".

AnonyMumAuDHD · 02/10/2026 12:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:19

Someone quoted used the term “white supremacist” to describe fingernail trends, which is very silly even if the article did make any good points.

Ah, I didn’t get to read the article but commented above that I wondered whether there was a racist subtext to the assumptions around the wearing of nail polish.

Again, I am rather sad that women’s bodies are being politicised (creating another means by which society - and men - can assert control over them) when we don’t see similar assumptions about men. Although, I guess, white men with excessive short buzz cuts have always risked being perceived as BNP/fascists and the section of muslim community demand beards be worn by men.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:29

Shrigley · 02/10/2026 12:27

The quote is "[Bare nails] are often called elegant or tasteful and these are often usually euphemisms that perpetuate white supremacist standards of beauty." That is not the same as saying that having bare nails makes you a white supremacist. The point being made is about the perception that a trend more popular with white women is elegant and tasteful (unlike a trend more popular with black women) could perpetuate the notion that white beauty standards are superior to black.

Not sure whether I agree or not but it's a very different point to "having bare nails = racist".

How is it “white supremacist”, it’s really stupid hyperbole.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:30

People who don’t write this kind of wanky thinkpiece associate “white supremacists” with neo Nazis/Republicans/Proud Boys etc. I don’t believe that association is unintentional here.

Ormally · 02/10/2026 12:31

This just feels like another angle on having no colour on fingernails meaning you're not womaning conformatively enough or correctly enough for the standards stirred up specially for this week by social media.
Ah well. I'll survive.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 12:33

Exactly. As I said, the article might make some good points but I’m not sure why people think the use of “white supremacist” to talk about whether bare nails are in fashion is defensible.

EllieQ · 02/10/2026 12:35

guinnessguzzler · 02/10/2026 11:41

I read this article when it came out and genuinely found it quite interesting. Beauty standards are very closely linked with class, place, ethnicity, and other such factors. The beauty industry relies on cultural norms and people wanting to conform to these. I wouldn't particularly argue with the below (although just saying white rather than white supremacist would have been fairer):

"They (blank nails) are often called elegant or tasteful and these (terms) are often usually euphemisms that perpetuate white supremacist standards of beauty.”

Although I would broaden the concept somewhat, beyond nails and to encompass class. Elegant, tasteful, classy, understated; these are often aspirations for the rich and powerful, who don't need or want to show off their wealth in such an obvious way. Adding in the various higher paid professions who won't have painted nails (mainly thinking of Drs but there will be others) and that's another factor. When I think about people I know, certainly it is women from more working class backgrounds, often, but not always, in lower paid jobs, who have bold nails, lip fillers, obviously dyed hair etc. I have always assumed a combination of feeling like you have something to prove and having limited control over other aspects of your life eg housing and so spending on what you can make a difference on have fed into and supported an overall culture leading to different priorities.

Sorry if this is clumsily worded and I know class can be a really contentious issue but I think it's hugely relevant when it comes to beauty standards and cultural norms.

Ultimately though, blank nails means not spending my hard earned cash on something I find entirely unnecessary so I'll continue putting my plain-nailed two fingers up to the capitalist patriarchy 🤣

This is what I was thinking of when I saw the headline - there are clear class connotations to the way people dress, including nail art. Perhaps if they’d also contacted a British beauty journalist for a quote, rather than just the two American journalists (Rodulfo and Suzanne Shapiro), it would have been explored further.

DebbieSavage · 02/10/2026 12:39

I have a cousin who is currently reading The Lord of the Rings, goes to the pub every weekend with her black labrador and does not wear nail varnish. I thought it was a bit strange that she never made a post on Facebook about the plight of the people of Gaza but now it seems that she is actually quite possibly a white supremacist.

I should have a word with her mum about this when I see her tomorrow, she was always a quiet girl with few friends but I suppose that's how the Russian influencers get them isn' it? This is terrifying.

BendoftheBeginning · 02/10/2026 12:39

notthatoldchestnut · 02/10/2026 10:11

Define white supremacist 🙄
ive had my nails done for the last 20 years. Some of my views which I believe are basically centre right would have some running for the hills calling racist…

the bbc are just reporting their usual tripe…

edit: whoops - I was so incensed at the ridiculousness I didn’t realise it had been removed.

Tbf - they should’ve kept it up so more people could ridicule them

Edited

I am glad they’ve come to their senses, begging them to keep it up so you can hate them more is unhealthy.

UnaPersson · 02/10/2026 12:41

PlantainArama · 02/10/2026 12:23

The class signifier angle is far more interesting and quite relevant to the UK. Although even that ignores the experience of the many women who actually genuinely don't have the spare £30. And in London, I really couldn't call nurses privileged.

Would you not have to look quite close to ascertain the difference between simply "clean nails" and "bare nail trend manicure"? Or would you make an assumption based on other aspects of appearance?

On fashion being political, maybe. I'm certainly trying to boycott various brands for reasons you could say are political, although as I'll happily wear old or second hand items from these brands, that is very much a personal decision not a signifier to others.

However, back when I believed the Guardian was as left wing as I am, I never really understood why their fashion and lifestyle pages touted the same expensive consumerist stuff I can't afford, just ike the Telegraph or Times.

The Guardian is staffed by rather posh, public-school educated types, or at least it was when I did a contract there many years ago. They wouldn't understand working class anything too well, imo.

I was reliably informed that a while back, when they were making redundancies, the Guardian got rid of all the women over 50.

Guess which newspaper had a free-to-browse shelf full of feminist books? GYAC, it starts with T and ends with elegraph. (I'm not a journalist, I did other stuff.)

Re nails, the point about class is definitely worth talking about. Race and culture do seem to play a part, based on observation 🤔.

Crumble1719 · 02/10/2026 12:42

Err what? How can people be criticised for having their body in its natural state? They’ll be criticising lack of makeup next…

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 02/10/2026 12:42

My nails are bare because I can’t afford to get them done and can’t be arsed to do it myself. Am I white supremacist?

The bbc has no editorial standards these days; the only thing that surprises me is that the Graun didn’t publish this shit before the Beeb did, as they have even fewer standards.

Ponderingwindow · 02/10/2026 12:43

My nails are bare because I’m allergic to nail polish.

The sexism of classifying women as bigots for not engaging in unnecessary grooming rituals is honestly shocking. I don’t understand how this article got past a basic editorial review.

Ormally · 02/10/2026 12:46

Crumble1719 · 02/10/2026 12:42

Err what? How can people be criticised for having their body in its natural state? They’ll be criticising lack of makeup next…

I've worked in countries where this (makeup) was fair game, semi-normal in fact, as something to 'have a word' about- but mainly for women over 40 or so. This was in teaching in case it is relevant.