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Neverstopwondering · 02/10/2026 13:51

I just can't with the BBC these days, just can't

They have totally lost the plot on so many subjects

Nothing surprises me anymore with them

AlonsoMosley · 02/10/2026 13:55

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/10/2026 11:57

This is in the feminism section- are you all just pretending that women’s fashion and beauty trends are not often political?!

it was a badly written article (I did read it when they published it) but there is clearly a trend in fashion away from all black-coded fashion and beauty. It’s not wrong to suggest there might be a political aspect to this, although they did a bad job in that article.

the article wasn’t about the sort of women who have never painted their nails, it was about women who do go for manicures deciding the flashy nail art look is no longer fashionable or desirable. This is not about caring how your hands look, but caring greatly and deciding the nail art look is no longer something you want, and a bare nail look is something you’d spend money on.

Bare long nails are very hard to achieve, you can’t do a lot of housework, you can’t have a manual job. You need a good diet and good health.

Anyone with a spare £50 can go get gels put on, there are nail bars all over the UK, this is easy to achieve now. But bare, long, healthy nails are more exclusive. This is a class signifier.

there is clearly a trend in fashion away from all black-coded fashion and beauty.

The nature of fashion is change. Constant change. So is that trend fashion being itself, or something more sinister? The mini was kicked out for the maxi, short hair seems to be challenging long hair (thank God! I hate the tyranny of long hair), 90s supermodels were booted out for heroine chic and so on.

Friendlygingercat · 02/10/2026 13:55

I have never decorated my nails since I was in my 20s. Make what you will of that.

MayIDestroyYou · 02/10/2026 14:00

My nails are always plain.

I would look pretty bloody silly as a white supremacist.

Hmm
Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 14:01

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/10/2026 13:34

it’s the trend of still having your nails done but rejecting the black-coded paint options and if there’s a political reason behind that becoming fashionable.

It's getting your nails done, FGS. Why does there have to be a 'political reason' behind choosing the colour of your nail polish?

There’s always been that “trend”. It’s nice to tidy them up but not everyone wants colour and calling it “black coded” to have coloured nails is very American. I paint my toenails all the time because they’re not a pretty sight without it, and I try to keep my nails reasonably tidy, but short and filed, but I only paint them colours very occasionally, maybe for a party or a holiday. And it’s been the same since I was a teen in the 90s and first starting using it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 14:02

OtterlyAstounding · 02/10/2026 13:33

I live in a country where there are only tiny Black or Latino communities, and yet nail art both still exists and is often considered tacky when over the top. I had no clue those communities even had anything to do with nail art. So when I reject brightly coloured or acrylic nails, it has nothing to do with race, it's just personal preference. I do think there may be an attempt to shoehorn race into something that, at most, has a touch of classism (with the focus on 'quiet, natural luxury').

Yes I agree.

onlytherain · 02/10/2026 14:06

The sexism is unbelievable. Getting their nails done is expensive and impractical or even prohibited for a lot of professional women (eg in the health sector). Plastic nails, nail varnish and nail varnish remover are not exactly great for the environment. That said, I have nothing against women who have their nails done and who own nail varnish - I have some myself. However, to put pressure on women to get their nails done in order to avoid being called white supremacist is really not as progressively left as the BBC think.

Additup · 02/10/2026 14:07

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/10/2026 13:23

The article quoted one person who said that. There is a clear link with black and Latino communities and nail art (it was black communities who created nail art not just block colour). Some of the people being pro-making an effort with your nails but also anti-nail art have linked it to being trashy, and it’s part of a wider trend of labelling all fashions and trends that came out of black communities as trashy. The opposite of them being “wholesome”. The natural beauty trend is heavily focussed on natural white beauty.

I do think it’s not really about white supremacy, but more about social class and wealth.

There’s lots of women on here who’ve not read the article saying they’ve never had their nails done, but ok it’s not about that, it’s the trend of still having your nails done but rejecting the black-coded paint options and if there’s a political reason behind that becoming fashionable.

Maybe people (of all races) just reject the nail art trend because it looks tacky and is really impractical ?
I wasn't aware there was a link to nail art and black/Latino women. I just know I don't like the look of it so if I was going to have my nails done I wouldn't consider nail art.

See also duck lips and 3d eyebrows which also look tacky imo.

TheInternetIsNotAnalogue · 02/10/2026 14:15

It's classism first and foremost. The demographics are well known.
Having 'natural' amazing hair, skin, nails, teeth etc plus a slender (but athletic) body are markers of wealth. They are hard to fake without great nutrition, lifestyle and money. Subtle, imperceptible enhancements are expensive.
Overtly fake enhancements are (relatively) quick,easy, cheap and accessible. So the trend towards 'clean girl' aesthetic is a way of signalling your class.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 14:16

I think it’s just symptomatic of how much pressure women and girls are under, how objectified we are. I don’t think it’s particularly progressive to suggest that it’s somehow wrong for individual women or groups of women to reject nail art. Some people like it, others think it’s tacky. Like leopard print. It’s always been considered superior to have “barely there” “natural beauty”. That is a class thing, I agree. I’m unconvinced it’s a race thing, especially in the U.K.

Fernsarethebestplants · 02/10/2026 14:16

I think as soon as a trend becomes ubiquitous, and everyone can afford it, it no longer becomes a status thing. I've noticed that all the posher students don't do their nails as much, no fake eyelashes, even the trout pout is not in in wealthy young people circles, though there's lots of tweaking and surgery at older ages. I don't think wealthy women ever paid for flamboyant or very long nails though.

OffWith · 02/10/2026 14:17

So everyone who works for the NHS is a far right racist now? 'Bare below the elbows'.

Righto.

nutmeg7 · 02/10/2026 14:28

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/10/2026 12:56

Again no, it’s not talking about women like you. It’s about women who very much can be arsed and will have a budget for their nails. It’s women going to salons and having all the prep and hand care done, paying for that but not putting polish on, or picking clear polish, not patterns/art.

The fashion isn’t to just stop doing anything to your nails, it’s to go with a harder to maintain look of clear, healthy nails, well moisturised hands and no obvious signs of having to do domestic or manual labour.

But why is it so terrible not to want nail art when you go for a manicure? Why?

What is actually wrong with wanting to look like you have clear healthy nails?

As someone above said, if you go for extravagant nail art, it’s cultural appropriation, if you go for “natural looking” nails you’re a racist.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2026 14:33

TheInternetIsNotAnalogue · 02/10/2026 14:15

It's classism first and foremost. The demographics are well known.
Having 'natural' amazing hair, skin, nails, teeth etc plus a slender (but athletic) body are markers of wealth. They are hard to fake without great nutrition, lifestyle and money. Subtle, imperceptible enhancements are expensive.
Overtly fake enhancements are (relatively) quick,easy, cheap and accessible. So the trend towards 'clean girl' aesthetic is a way of signalling your class.

Some of us reject the natural aesthetic and the glam aesthetic in favour of the hopeless hedge-backwards aesthetic. It has fuck all to do with race. And probably class, I don't know.

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nutmeg7 · 02/10/2026 14:35

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2026 14:33

Some of us reject the natural aesthetic and the glam aesthetic in favour of the hopeless hedge-backwards aesthetic. It has fuck all to do with race. And probably class, I don't know.

I’m all for the hopeless hedge-backwards aesthetic😁

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 02/10/2026 14:36

Black coded.
Euphemism for White supremacy.

Who's deciding all this crap?

AlonsoMosley · 02/10/2026 14:36

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/10/2026 13:23

The article quoted one person who said that. There is a clear link with black and Latino communities and nail art (it was black communities who created nail art not just block colour). Some of the people being pro-making an effort with your nails but also anti-nail art have linked it to being trashy, and it’s part of a wider trend of labelling all fashions and trends that came out of black communities as trashy. The opposite of them being “wholesome”. The natural beauty trend is heavily focussed on natural white beauty.

I do think it’s not really about white supremacy, but more about social class and wealth.

There’s lots of women on here who’ve not read the article saying they’ve never had their nails done, but ok it’s not about that, it’s the trend of still having your nails done but rejecting the black-coded paint options and if there’s a political reason behind that becoming fashionable.

it’s part of a wider trend of labelling all fashions and trends that came out of black communities as trashy. The opposite of them being “wholesome”. The natural beauty trend is heavily focussed on natural white beauty.

I agree that fashion, and elegance in particular, is more often than not a class indicator, but also a tribe indicator - think indie or goth, for example.
Elegance is usually associated with restraint. That runs as true in Accra or Lagos as it does in London or New York. The colour (or wealth) of the person wearing it does not define it - their choice in presentation does.

"Trashy" could well be the opposite of elegant. It is excess, exuberant, loud. My first real introduction to "trashy," and very long dramatic nails, was via the Essex show that grabbed for a while about 10/15 years ago. But they were white. The style was velour tracksuits, long, died blonde hair/extensions, very long nails and eyelashes, lots of makeup and big boobs. The Kardashians feature heavily in that realm too. All of it is the opposite of restraint - it is kind of like a conspicuous consumption - the more the better, the bigger the better, the louder the better.

That look, in both white and black communities has been going for a while now. Change is inevitable, especially in fashion. A move away from that is inevitable. I am not sure that the move itself is colour coded.

jumpintheline · 02/10/2026 14:37

Nightmanagerfan · 02/10/2026 10:08

I read that article and found it so bizarre that I couldn’t even really process what it was trying to say. I am not surprised it got pulled

Me too. It was baffling.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2026 14:39

jumpintheline · 02/10/2026 14:37

Me too. It was baffling.

I happen to have a short speech handy in which I bemoan the generally plummeting standards of SPAG in contemporary media. <clears throat>

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 14:39

PlantainArama · 02/10/2026 13:20

I think what I object to (whilst acknowledging that class and race do impact fashion) is the use of women and women's bodies to discuss wider politics.

It IS inherently misogynist because it rarely acknowledges the struggle of being female in a patriarchal world. It's another form of objectification IMO. Classism and racism and misogyny exist on a scale far larger than the styles people are wearing and all need tackling without the focus being on women's bodies and choices.

Agree.

Heggettypeg · 02/10/2026 14:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 11:17

Do you have a black Labrador though.

What's this black Labrador thing? I've seen it a couple of times now, so I've obviously missed something that's been in the news or on social media.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 02/10/2026 14:51

Delphin · 02/10/2026 13:28

Of course you cannot do Pilates. Best to go to Pole Dance classes. You know, sex work is work and we should not be seen excluding sex workers....
😈

Was looking into sports clubs/classes with beginner veteran classes - was thinking fencing/epee classes but will now scour the web for this. DH would probably be supportive.

Am also chuckling at the nail art comments… as I booked nail art rather than the standard BIAB/gel colour for Christmas period. I was planning on having stars and Christmas trees for a laugh and then reverting to a traditional ‘french polish’ finish once my actual nails have grown out, but I am questioning my whole existence and identity as a middle-aged, middle class woman now.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 02/10/2026 14:54

Heggettypeg · 02/10/2026 14:51

What's this black Labrador thing? I've seen it a couple of times now, so I've obviously missed something that's been in the news or on social media.

Apparently perceiving the English country side as sitting around in pubs, in front of the fire with a black Labrador is far right (yes was in the news), I am yet to determine whether having spaniels, in stead, makes you soft right or whether having a banned pit bull would make you hard left, though.

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2026 14:55

OhBotherSaidPoo · 02/10/2026 10:24

I miss when the BBC did actual journalism.

Edited

Multiple people should lose their jobs in the upcoming BBC job cull for this article alone.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2026 14:56

Heggettypeg · 02/10/2026 14:51

What's this black Labrador thing? I've seen it a couple of times now, so I've obviously missed something that's been in the news or on social media.

Some daft Labour MP associated them with the far right, apparently that’s what far right people fantasise about, being in a pub with their black Labrador.