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I have a family member whose “gotcha” response to the trans debate is that treating trans identified men as potential threats is exactly the same as racists who say that all Muslims are terrorists.

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tetherabumfit · 20/09/2026 10:47

Just this really. Patronising man informing silly woman that she is bigoted in the same way a racist is.

How do I counter this in a rational, reasonable way? I’m sick of being smugly informed that I’m no better than a racist.

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Northernlightsss · Today 05:53

MyAmpleSheep · Today 05:46

Holroyde was not commenting on the number of trans identifying men in prison.

you said “ it's impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions about the incarceration rate of trans women given their low numbers are statistically insignificant.”

That’s not correct. 62% of the trans identifying men in prison in the uk were convicted for sexual crimes. That is easily significant when the sample size is 250.

By contrast the number of women in Scotland in prison for sexual offences is too small to be statistically significant.

it is clear that trans-identifying men have a very different offending profile to women.

which is not surprising, because they are not women.

Ah yeah he was given he explicitly says so. And no 250 is not a significant sample size as argued by those who reject gender affirming care research for the same kind of numbers.

Can't have it both ways.

Northernlightsss · Today 05:57

Rollingpinofdoom · Today 05:47

Are you saying because males and females share a toilet at home we should let males into women’s prisons? You win batshit comment of the week.
why are you so invested in trying to convince people mixed sex prisons are good? Because if there’s no great danger to women when men put on a dress, why don’t we make all prisons mixed sex but just make the men wear dresses? Because that is the only difference between a TIM and a non TIM. What they wear. Both men, both statistically proven to be of the same danger to women.

two TIM rapists have been convicted this week. Should they go into female prison? If not, why not?

Are you saying because males and females share a toilet at home we should let males into women’s prisons?

Not at all. You seem to be projecting bat shit yourself with that kind of wild connection. The judge specifically states risk assessment matters. Do you even understand what that means? Apparently not.

Rollingpinofdoom · Today 06:13

Northernlightsss · Today 05:57

Are you saying because males and females share a toilet at home we should let males into women’s prisons?

Not at all. You seem to be projecting bat shit yourself with that kind of wild connection. The judge specifically states risk assessment matters. Do you even understand what that means? Apparently not.

you Brought it up as an example, not me bud.
the risk assessment would have to use the comparator as “any other male”. You claim there is not enough data to prove TIM are a threat to women in prison. There is therefore no data to prove they are not a threat. So how many women are you saying it’s ok to traumatise and be assaulted before we do have enough data?
Are you saying we should let TIM into female prisons and if women get raped and assaulted then “oops. Our bad but at least we’ve got the data now”? Is that really what you are suggesting? or should we treat TIM the same as every other male, giving them the right to be imprisoned in a facility relevant to their sex? If not, as Women’s prisons are statistically safer, would this not open the justice system to claims of discrimination from non TIM?

Northernlightsss · Today 06:31

Rollingpinofdoom · Today 06:13

you Brought it up as an example, not me bud.
the risk assessment would have to use the comparator as “any other male”. You claim there is not enough data to prove TIM are a threat to women in prison. There is therefore no data to prove they are not a threat. So how many women are you saying it’s ok to traumatise and be assaulted before we do have enough data?
Are you saying we should let TIM into female prisons and if women get raped and assaulted then “oops. Our bad but at least we’ve got the data now”? Is that really what you are suggesting? or should we treat TIM the same as every other male, giving them the right to be imprisoned in a facility relevant to their sex? If not, as Women’s prisons are statistically safer, would this not open the justice system to claims of discrimination from non TIM?

I'm not saying anything. I'm only showing you what the high court concluded in terms of statistical conclusions. And no, that's not how risk assessment is done. It's determined on the individual's likelihood of being a danger to others based on their own personal history….not of the average male or female. If it were, that might be a risk for both men & women. Surely you can understand why?

Rollingpinofdoom · Today 06:38

Northernlightsss · Today 06:31

I'm not saying anything. I'm only showing you what the high court concluded in terms of statistical conclusions. And no, that's not how risk assessment is done. It's determined on the individual's likelihood of being a danger to others based on their own personal history….not of the average male or female. If it were, that might be a risk for both men & women. Surely you can understand why?

Yes, like their personal history of being male.

Northernlightsss · Today 06:47

Rollingpinofdoom · Today 06:38

Yes, like their personal history of being male.

hall of fame game missed the point GIF
Xanhi · Today 06:48

He sounds a bit thick. If he wants to make silly arguments then tell him saying single sex spaces shouldn't exist makes him sounds the same as a rapist Then tell him that by denying your lived experience, he is exactly the same as racists and being a racist rapist is not very nice and he should try to be kinder. It might make him realise how fatuous he is being.

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