In light of the whole arts world supporting Macklemore over his censorship, who in the music industry supported Róisín Murphy?

[MarcTheGenderSkeptic]

To her, I could add who in TV over Linehan, dance over Rosie Kay?
Sure, JKR is too big to be cancelled, but I didn't see any writers flock to her side.
I'm sure I've missed a few.
So, pressure put on Eddie Sheeran to drop Macklemore for his overtly political Free Palestine! chants, banners etc.
Hey, I may not share his politics, but I don't believe in censorship.
But as the wave of support comes in for him, and let's face it, this cancellation can only boost his career, I'm right now asking where was the wave of anti-censorship support for Róisín Murphy a few years back, when <her own record label!> cancelled her?
Macklemore walks into his next gig next week, his artist-activist credentials burnished, his opportunities to boost his career scaled up.
Róisín? She was at existential risk of career collapse.
Rosie Kay? Did the dance community in any meaningful way support her freedom to speak up? Highlight the iniquity of her losing the school shed sweated to build?
Linehan? Well, he really is a salutary lesson in the Age Of Scolding.
I know I've missed a few.
And of course multiples more women in lesser positions, cancelled from running maternity classes, as Green party candidates (I know one personally), from sports teams, etc etc, all of them invaluable in their fields, but cancelled or silenced via threat of cancellation.
So, while I see the Macklemore cancellation as poor in an apparently freedom-valuing West, I know this is in effect arbitrary. He isn't being dropped by his record label, all venues not touching him, activists working to bury him. If he ran a singing school, he wouldn't have it taken from him. If he was a writer for TV, he wouldn't have all opportunities for a decade denied him, true poison pen culture behind his back and to his face.
So I ask, why when Macklemore gets a prime gig cancelled, the whole arts/activist/Omnicause world lifts him up, yet when Róisín/Rosie/Graeme get cancelled, the rest of the mass bear down in them?
Of course, we all know the answer. I'm just finding I need to articulate what I see as a hypocritical world doubling down.

Ed Sheeran has just issued a groveling apology, self flagellated himself in front of the baying mob and servilely accepted he was 'in the wrong'.

I think the reaction of the 'arts' is more to do with TDS than anything else, the objections to Macklemore came from the USA, so they're blaming Trump.

The wave of support is disgusting, the brow beating, harassment and outright hatred directed at ED just because he wanted to stick to music and not get involved shows where the true danger to democracy and freedom is coming from. All those that keep claiming it's not the left are as delusional as men who think they can be women just because they want.

It's been said before, it's war and if you don't pick a side, a side will be picked for you. Hence ED's grovelling apology, welcome to the wrong side of history Ed.

Sorry double post for some reason.

Your real comparator here is Ed Sheeran, not Macklemore. Macklemore is the one touting the approved line not the one going against it.

I'm on Sheeran's side to an extent, but he's also culpable in his own humiliation.
Out of all the artists he picks to be the major support act, he picks one that is hugely visible on the Gaza crisis. Macklemore is always talking about it.
This is like picking Bob Vylan and then expecting him to shut up on killing the IDF when he's on your bill.
Sorry, Sheeran is naive at best, and self serving at worst, wanting the crowd and energy that comes along with Macklemore's hugely visible activist clique, yet none of the downsides of overt politicization that his apoltical family friendly act demands.
What next? Michael McIntyre having Jim Davidson in before him and telling him he can't do Chalky White jokes or he's off the bill? Lol.

This.
I think Ed (who all this is really centred around) was in a dammed if he did, dammed if he didn’t situation.

If he cancelled the show, he would of got accusations of being anti-Semitic, plus flack from people who feel apolitical about the topic and perhaps saved for years/was the first time they were able to see him due to circumstances.

If he continued he would have had to face a massive onslaught about being pro-genocide, and putting money before the perceived nonnegotiable ethical stance.

He really couldn’t win.

But this does prove that public figures particularly, but to less of an extent people in general can only be apolitical to certain time, eventually they have to choose a side and just hope any backlash from the opposition has as small an impact on your career as possible.

It’s worrying times we live in.

My bigger point is not the pros and cons of Macklemore's enforced exit from the Sheeran tour. I suspect the bookings for him have ramped up since the news broke, his Insta followers have burgeoned. Or the travails of Eddie Sheeran...like JK Rowling, he's rich enough and sufficiently well loved by billions it seems, to ride this out.
No, it's that when Róisín Murphy similarly expressed heartfelt views on the fate of children, her outed FB post led to her world imploding...I mean, it doesn't get much worse than <her own record label> doxxing her and sabotaging her new record release.
Where was the support for free speech then, the arts community protecting her back?
There was nothing, she was left to the wolves of the online feral assassination squad.
The double standards are astounding.
Ditto, Rosie Kay, ditto Graham Linehan.
And if you were to tally the writers and artists who came out in support for JK Rowling, the arts literary community would have been quite happy to see her vanish as well.

But Sheeran knew full well what he would get with Macklemore...he's seen his act, and what he says between every song.
As one does with Bob Vylan.

Ed Sheeran was on stage last night saying that people he thought were his friends, and even his own family have backed off from him, and don't want to be seen with him. Which is pretty fucking terrible when his 'appalling behaviour' was to not cancel concerts that loads of his fans had paid lots of money to get to.

He was being expected to cancel because Macklemore was cancelled, and the rest of the support cancelled themselves?
Well, I'm glad he found the fortitude to tell those pressuring him to cancel to fuck off and went ahead.
The quid pro quo of that being his "obligation" to say what he said at the start of his gig.

The people who agree with the individuals you speak of do support them publicly. If the arts community agreed, they'd have "had their back".

What he said at the start of his gig certainly isn't enough to appease the baying mob who are already criticising him for mentioning October 7th, not calling it a genocide and not saying Free Palestine. You have to say the correct words, you see. Being a decent person isn't enough.

As far as I know, Róisín Murphy made her comments about puberty blockers online, she didn't do so at a concert with accompanying visuals.

In other words, her views about PBs didn't impact on her performance in the way that Macklemore's views on Palestine do.
Macklemore makes his politics part of his performance.
I don't think Róisín does the same with her views on PBs.

Not quite the same. RM was 'cancelled' because of what she said offstage, not onstage.

It doesn't matter "how" or "why" she was cancelled. She was, that's the only thing that matters.
My point is the whole Omnicause have rallied around Macklemore and the rest of the support acts.
As they did Kneecap.
As they did Bob Vylan.
Don't expect to see Sheeran headlining Glasto anytime soon, certainly not ahead of Macklemore.
As an artistic community, let's support cancelling Murphy (saying nothing in her favour is as bad as actively doxxing her) and really leave her to potential exit from career opportunities.
Because that's the only conclusion one can draw from that whole toxic episode.

I agree, the arts have treated RM and GL very badly, but it's well beyond normal understanding now.

The Omnicause is preformative politics, the luvies have chosen their side and are performing their arse's off in support of it. It's all about being in with the in crowd and anyone who does prostrate themselves in front of the crowd gets, eaten by the crowd.
It's a ugly situation we find ourselves in but it's all about the performance now, there's no sense to it, it's completely insensible.

I agree with this.

I saw Adele getting absolutely slatted on here because she cancel what she later decribed as a pooly organised tour. People were going on about fans who booked unrefundable travel and hotel rooms they were very nasty about her.

Ed Sheeran say he worried canceling will affect fans who paid out and people's jobs - and is getting critized.

I expect he thought a guy he knew and was helping to promote would have sense to not piss of tour promoters to extent he got cancelled and then went on essentially promoting his career and expense of Eds. Maybe he just expected a little bit of professionalism at least on stage.

I get the point palestine/omnicause has people on left and in arts running to defend people speaking out while women's rights get silence and do agree it's bloody awful behavior.

I also agree Ed Sheeran is probably big enough where he can probably with stand the out cry - and yes he's probably not had the volume of hate JKR and many other shave had to endure. However unlike many (not all ) of them he never made any poltical comments - no-one knows what he thinks about Palestine - he's trying to stay away from poltics and still getting fucked over.

People support anti-genocide voices. People don't support TERF voices. This is because one of these opinions is good and decent and humane, and one is bad and indecent and inhumane. Hope that helps.

Have you just rolled out of bed?

Many people take a neutral stance re the issues around Gaza and Israel, and people hold a spectrum of views - which they entitled to hold. Equally there is a spectrum of views regarding gender. It is interesting that if you do not hold a pro Palastine or pro gender fluid view and are famous etc then you are cancelled, equally if employed by a public body then you are can’t express this - yet can express the alternative view. There is a lack of tolerance.

Many people take a neutral stance re the issues around Gaza and Israel, and people hold a spectrum of views - which they entitled to hold. Equally there is a spectrum of views regarding gender. It is interesting that if you do not hold a pro Palastine or pro gender fluid view and are famous etc then you are cancelled, equally if employed by a public body then you are can’t express this - yet can express the alternative view. There is a lack of tolerance.

yes, it’s bad to support child safeguarding and the safety of females. It’s so bad. I’m guessing this is what your school lgbtq&@£89@“&£ club told you to believe.

Yes. There are a number of other issues where celebrities take very different stances. Scottish independence. Brexit. Fox hunting. Assisted dying. Some of those are extremely emotive. None of those see one side ostracised for having the ‘wrong view’.

Yes this exactly - or refusing to give a public view on them at all.

Linehan who this week called a disabled woman the R-slur?

Who re-ups racist and misogynistic content, objected to the casting of Will Sharp as Mozart because he's "black" (WS's mum is Japanese - I mean, where do you even start with that level of racism?!) And the rest.

Murphy has been accused of past homophobia, has made present-day statements a lot of people see as homophobic.

And both constantly, aggressively attack trans people.

Whereas Macklemore has said "Free Palestine" and talked about the tens of thousands of children murdered by a far-right government. About the boy who was deliberately killed last week for running to help an injured paramedic.

Transphobia is the default position of the current US government. Trans people are facing attacks by governments and the legal system, as well as extreme physical and sexual violence, discrimination and harassment.

People in the UK who hold up pieces of paper supporting Palestine Action are being jailed. The US & UK are still supporting a murderous regime, and anyone who objects to the genocide is labelled antisemitic. Even though conflating the current Israeli government with all Jews is deeply antisemitic.

Murphy, Linehan and the rest aren't being brave. They're not heroes. They're cheering on a far-right campaign against a tiny minority. They sexualise and dehumanise that minority. They aren't going up against entire governments in calling out oppression.

There is a world of difference between standing up for your principles and claiming an entire minority needs to be 'over'.

Macklemore is demanding that the humanity of Palestinians be respected. That they be allowed to live. 80%+ of all buildings in Gaza have been destroyed, and the captive population are being bombed in tents. Women are dying due to the total lack of hygienic care, and many died of starvation so that their children could live. Rescue equipment, when bombed buildings collapse on women and children, is denied access. Most of the female journalists who documented the genocide have been killed.

Whereas Linehan and Murphy make shitty comments about a minority online.

Yeah mystery huh. But here's a clue: people don't like bullies. They admire those who don't treat minorities as hive minds, or claim they are inherently violent and sexually aggressive. They like those who don't attack individuals because of their appearance or for being part of a minority.

Macklemore wrote 'Hind's Hall' to protest the state murder of a terrified little girl.

Linehan wrote an essay about David Tennant being a paedophile. Because DT loves his nb child, refuses to reject them and objects to adults attacking trans kids.

Punching up and kicking down are different things.

No JKR in your one sided diatribe? Your standards are slipping.
Btw, once you revealed kids know their gender identity at 5, you became somewhat less worth listening to.

This Macklemore?