Transitioning or therapy as the treatment for gender dysphoria

[FairHippopotama]

Most trans rights activists will tell you that all who claim to have gender dysphoria are valid in their feelings and the best treatment for gender dysphoria is always transitioning--both socially (e.g. pronouns, clothing) and medically (e.g. hormone therapy, mastectomy). These transitions should be accepted by society.

As far as I can tell, the typical gender-critical view is that while gender dysphoria may be a genuine condition, in all cases therapy or some such is a much preferred treatment to transitioning. Accepting transitioning is seen as requiring society to affirm certain falsehoods and harming women's interests. Am I right about this though? What are your thoughts?

Personally, I think the truth is slightly more moderate: gender dysphoria is a real condition, but should only be treated with transitioning in some cases--transitions which society should accept (but not be forced to do so). It depends on whether the cause is neurological and unchangeable (a sort of brain-body mismatch) or social and able to be treated with therapy (in my opinion).

Apologies if this is worded poorly and doesn't make sense.

Logic fail.
Detransitioners who permanently detransition do it for a reason..they are not trans so their 'dissatisfaction' doesn't count.

Jesus. I think I’ll just leave that comment to stand

ETA stand without further comment I mean. Obviously I have no power over whether it stands or is deleted.

I simply meant it’s more powerful of an example of the lack of care for people suffering with gender dysphoria by itself. It doesn’t need further comment to point that out. It could be seen from space

Where are you based? Religious community? Never heard that nonsense in the UK in all my several decades.

Culture assigns gender by translating biological sex into social roles, rules, and expectations. Societies use birth markers, behaviour codes, rituals, and language to teach people how to act like a specific gender which is a separate issue to gender self identification.

Exactly

some posters just make shit up

Cornwall, normal community. Nasty girls said it to another girl. Mean girls use all weapons at their disposal. It happened and I don't care if you don't believe me.

In which decade and country did you grow up? Girls have been wearing trousers for a long time without it being an issue.

I’m sorry to hear that but also sorry you feel it necessary to call young girls nasty and mean. More negative stereotypes…

I know that, you know that, but it was said to my friend's daughter at junior school. She's now 14.

The same girls are still the same at 14. Is that old enough to be or not be mean girls? Even the teachers have spoken to them about their behaviour. It doesn't change.

A “nasty” girl presumably said to your daughter than “only boys wear trousers”????

So in Cornwall… girls don’t wear trousers?

Not so new to Mumsnet as it turns out. The OP previously engaged in FWR four months ago by starting a similar thread. In that thread they mention having trans identifying sister (FtM).

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5513985-do-you-feel-that-gender-identity-exists-and-is-innate

Girls have been wearing school trousers for years!

Yes, of course they do. And other girls did and do. This was said to one specific girl out of unkindness. Since young girls can't be mean.

It does seem as though people live in different social groups some of which may be very tolerant of variety and others which are very intolerant

I have seen both but if you haven’t you could be forgiven for thinking all is good in the garden ( and especially the school playground ) . it’s naive

But all the other kids, boys and girls, would have been “huh? I wear jeans” or “well my sister wears jeans!”

This girl sounds less mean and more living in cloud cuckoo land

Can you clarify what made you snap out of thinking you were a boy??

Imagine that said to the wrong girl. A girl who already doesn't fit in with the other girls, who is struggling. Not hard to see a seed of doubt being sown, is it?

What planet are you on?

This girl would have been surrounded by other girls and women wearing trousers. Baby girls wear trousers!

I know. This is only realistic if… say…. 1950s

This, this this this this. And this.

It is a MH condition in the same way as any body dysmorphia. In fact this is about the body, it is body dysmorphia. The use of the term gender dysphoria has been made up to match the theory which as you say is predicated on thin air.

We dont treat anorexics by agreeing with them that they're fat and need weight loss surgery.

Sometimes a mental health condition

other times… attention seeking; bored; too much time on SM