Who gets ovarian cancer?

[JellySaurus]

A 19 yo woman goes to the doctor with classic symptoms of ovarian cysts or cancer and is fobbed off with classic medical misogyny of periods are painful and her symptoms are due to anxiety. Result: life-changing consequences that only a woman can experience.

Enlli Thompson seems to have amazing positivity,despite what has happened to her, and I hope she goes on to live a fulfilling and healthy life.

Then the interview with a Gp who claims to always pay attention to these symptoms. This attentive GP refers only to 'people' with ovarian cancer, as does Cancer Research UK.

49% of PEOPLE are at no risk whatsoever of ovarian cancer. 49% of PEOPLE are never going to have their possible cancer symptoms dismissed as period pains.

WOMEN. Only women get ovarian cancer. Only women have their symptoms dismissed as 'normal' period pains. Only women have severly or increasingly painful periods dismissed as 'normal'. Only women get thrown into menopause by medical treatment. Only women have to live with the extreme consequences of premature aging as a result.

Not just medical misogyny but also medical dishonesty.

BBC News - Ovarian cancer and menopause at 19 mean I can't have kids, but it's changed me for the better
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9wn7w4982o

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And men who don't try hard enough to look like women to the satisfaction of other men.

It's so absurd, I'm embarrassed for people who say it with even the smidge of a straight face

Bonkers isn’t it!! Your post made me laugh!

Typing racist slogans at me isn't argument.

It can be very helpful to show the parallels between TRA thinking and racist thinking.

Which isn't really surprising given that both are at heart based in stereotyping peoples' characters based on what they look like.

No.

Those are the excuses men give for hating us.

Misogyny is hatred of women. Full stop.

Any woman, regardless of her appearance, masculinity, femininity, reproductive capacity, age or presentation. Men who have no sexual attraction to women are misogynists.

I am sorry for your relatives illness. But I think you are wrong, it is not hostility towards trans identifying people that is the issue , the issue is that so many HCP (and others in other professions) are spending time having to tiptoe around the language they need to use clinically, and also having to make assumptions about peoples sensitivities because they are fearful of being at best shouted at or at worst labelled transphobic and forced out of their job. You can’t expect someone to do their job properly if they are having to check every word they utter for transphobic “bias” rather than concentrating on explaining the illness and outcomes.

It really is up to trans identifying people to accept that their sex does have implications for their health, and to realise that it is their responsibility as adults to accept this and work with it, including understanding that accurate sex based language is there to make the situation clear to everyone, patients and clinicians, however distasteful the trans identifying person finds it. It is not about judging their lifestyle, it is about optimising their health outcomes.

And the blatant homophobia enters the room...

You are both right.

Misogyny starts with Patriachy's need to control and exploit women for children. To do this, it needs to devalue us, make us less than human to justify treating as as objects and vassals /vessels.

As both men and women grow up in that culture, they bpth grow up knowing to be female is to be lesser. That spills over to devaluing boys and men who exhibit anything female-coded. So socialisation works to further separate the sexes and in the case of women, further devalue women.

Eventually this becomes culturally self reproducing, so misogyny doesn't have to be directly connected to reproduction anymore, it just reproduces an existing distaste / devaluing of the female.

And this is also how it spills over on to men as well. Not because anyone thinks those men are women (no, not even trans "women") but because men police each other and attack / cast out men exhibiting characteristics coded as the devalued/hatred female. Men exhibiting femininity undermine the patriarchal image of men and the "natural" lower status of women, which triggers angry responses.

From Google..

"The exact expression "people with testicular cancer" .. the total number of times it appears across the entire Google search index is unquantifiable and numbers in the hundreds of thousands or millions across medical, informational, and support web pages."

If you read about this poor girl and your first thought was OMG, they said 'people', the problem is your mind, not the semantics. Get help.

Just maybe doctors and journalists have more important things to think about than the faux indignation of bigots.

Which is why I said it stems from wanting to control women's reproduction.

I know men who wish they were women like to enjoy the daydream that the attitude to women which devalues them and upsets them, should be replicated towards them because it validates them and makes them happy.

But it's yet another example of the misogyny of trans ideology.

@FairCat “If you read about this poor girl and your first thought was OMG, they said 'people', the problem is your mind, not the semantics. Get help.”

The word people implies that anyone (male and female) can get ovarian cancer. The fact is ONLY women can get ovarian cancer. It’s important to differentiate.

Exactly.

Women's health, women's sex based rights, women's sex segregated spaces, women's representation, women' sport - none of it works if women are not differentiated from men.

Which is the whole point of trans ideology.

Men need to eliminate the meaning of the word woman, so they can force it to apply to them. And fuck the consequences.

This is what I wrote so piss off with the 'You don't care about the young woman':

Also, about inclusive language. Let’s do that! Let’s also include women in the inclusive language!!
I truly hope the young woman in the article is able to recover fully and take care of all her scars.

As for your amazing google skills, here are mine:

There is no exact, single database or fixed number that counts every time a medical writer or public health organisation uses the word "people" instead of "men" when discussing testicular cancer.
Instead, the language chosen depends entirely on the specific organisation's editorial guidelines and target audience.

1. The Majority of Medical Sources Still Use "Men" or "Males"

In most global medical literature and mainstream oncology websites, testicular cancer is predominantly discussed using the words "men," "boys," or "males." For example:

• The Cancer Research UK website states statistics "for men with testicular cancer in the UK."
• The National Institutes of Health (NIH) StatPearls guide explicitly frames it as "the most common cancer in young men." 1, 2]

1. When and Why "People" or "Individuals" is Used

Many modern health systems and charities have adopted gender-inclusive linguistic frameworks. They substitute or combine "men" with terms like "people with testicular cancer" or "people with testicles" for two specific reasons: Anatomical Accuracy: Testicular cancer can affect anyone born with XY chromosomes who develops testicles, regardless of their gender identity. This includes cisgender men, transgender women (who have not undergone a gonadectomy), and non-binary individuals assigned male at birth. 1, 2, 3] Patient-Centric Outcomes: Prominent clinical entities, such as the Cleveland Clinic, blend both terms. Their official documentation notes that it is the "most common cancer in males aged 15 to 44" while switching to gender-neutral phrasing when discussing post-treatment recovery: "What is the prognosis for people with testicular cancer?" 1] Anatomical Accuracy: Testicular cancer can affect anyone born with XY chromosomes who develops testicles, regardless of their gender identity. This includes cisgender men, transgender women (who have not undergone a gonadectomy), and non-binary individuals assigned male at birth. 1, 2, 3] Patient-Centric Outcomes: Prominent clinical entities, such as the Cleveland Clinic, blend both terms. Their official documentation notes that it is the "most common cancer in males aged 15 to 44" while switching to gender-neutral phrasing when discussing post-treatment recovery: "What is the prognosis for people with testicular cancer?" 1]

Men can “f**k off!”

Replacing "woman" minimises biological realities and reduces women to specific body parts.

Did anyone else notice this from @TransParentlyAnnoyed

"Men who have no sexual attraction to women are misogynists."

Which is what these men want. They want to be a woman with a penis. While we are women with vaginas.

There's something so fucking creepy and icky about it, it's difficult to articulate.

Well, without getting banned. Remove the ban hammer, and I'll articulate its arse off.

Are ALL men meant to be sexually attracted to ALL women @TransParentlyAnnoyed otherwise they’re automatically a misogynist?

@Datun “There's something so fucking creepy and icky about it,”

I agree. These men are gross!!

She. She. She. She. She. Men don’t get ovarian cancer. There’s no hostility to trans people in healthcare services, but there is medical misogyny. Focus on that.

Shouldn't it be creatures with ovaries, given that some people don't identify as people/humans.

Just the word ‘women’ will do. We ALL know what body parts belong to a woman.

Yes, I know. I was just pointing out that 'people with cervixes' is supposedly woke and 'inclusive' but isn't.

I’m sorry! I agree with you.

”Trans people exist”.

Women exist but it has become offensive to remind people of that or to refer to anything to do with women without including men.

Thats the simple truth of it and the “trans people exist” statement doesn’t make any sense because I don’t think anyone is denying they exist.

With the use of “cis” and changing language to not include the use of word woman there is actually a genuine threat that the real definition of the word woman is being threatened with extinction.
People are being slowly gaslighted so if no one speaks up there is a risk that in future being a woman will have nothing to do with actual biology and will just be down to “feelings” and stereotypes.

Yes I noticed this and was shocked. I know trans ideology is misogynistic and homophobic, but this is the first time I have seen it so explicitly stated. Usually the homophobia is hidden behind word salad.