Why do some people view JK Rowling as transphobic?

[Backwardsbinn]

Where do people get the idea that JK Rowling is transphobic from? Where? I’m having this argument with an acquaintance who tells me she’s the most transphobic person on earth but cannot point to one single thing that she’s done or said that’s transphobic. Is this the widest held totally bullshit view ever?

What do you think is 'progressive' or 'compassionate' about dismantling women's rights to single sex spaces and services?

What would make 'transwomen' anything other than men? Do explain?

To the trans-person, identity is critical, and feeling comfortable with themselves even more so.

Only to the trans person who can't face reality and needs to find refuge in made-up concepts and inventions. There's no such thing as gender identity, and clinging to it is harmful to one's psychological well-being.

What about women who would have to self exclude if there were no single sex spaces for them to use? Abused women, women who have been raped, orthodox religious women.

What makes unisex a fair and sensible option for these women?

Or do these women just not count in your progressive and compassionate world?

There's no such thing as gender identity

Years of peer-reviewed studies and decades of actual lived experience would seem to dismantle your rather infantile view of gender identity

Nice try. It's a pity you had to resort to making most of those up though.
Yours, on the other hand, are clear for all to read.

Converting single sex spaces to unisex spaces disadvantages women, as is well known. So that’s not really ideal at all. Have a go at finding a fair solution.

By all means, present me with those "years of peer-reviewed studies".

Actual lived experience is irrelevant to the truth. Some people have decades of lived experience of God existing or not existing; they can't all be right.

The reason we have the 'what are your preferred pronouns?' or 'my preferred pronouns are x' is because, the majority of time, their preferred sex isnt obvious.

Transmen look like women, TW look like men.

Real life isnt photos that can be manipulated or misinterpreted.

We can cope with TM in women spaces.

Oh dear!

Did we establish why you think the men's is the wrong place for some male people?

Do you want me to summon our toilet guru?

We cant compromise everyone's safety because a few people want everyone to go along with their fantasy. No one changes sex.

Have any women “identified” as a woman? I don’t understand what it means.

I just need to say.......trying to set fire to owls in this climate is as dangerous as having a bbq. (Public information for the hard of thinking)

If a doctor said they identified as a surgeon, most people would think twice about the surgery.

People who 'are' something generally dont say they identity as it.

Another brand new visitor riled up by JKR being right. They can’t stay away.

converting all facilities to unisex is arguably the fairest and most sensible option.

Apart from the ethical issue of - what about fairness for women? and for that matter, men, who also value their privacy and comfort? - have you thought through the practicalities of your suggestion?

First of all, building regs in England make single sex facilities mandatory, unless there isn't enough room in a building.

Secondly, workplace regulations also mandate separate single sex facilities, again with the exception of space.

Thirdly, mixed sex toilets have to meet stringent building regs specs, you can't just 'convert' existing single sex toilets by changing the signs on the doors.

Fifthly, who is going to pay for this massive building project of removing existing single sex toilet blocks - because they will not meet building regs as mixed sex toilets - and building brand new, building regs compliant 'universal' toilets, in sufficient numbers to match the 'throughput' of the old single-sex facilities?

Sixthly [is that even a word?] this massive building project of new mixed sex toilets is going to have to be in addition to the required provision of separate single sex toilets in new builds, as well as adapted toilets for disabled people - even in a large building, that's a heck of a lot of space taken up by a heck of a lot of toilets!

Seventhly there are the health and safety issues caused by the floor-to-ceiling design of mixed sex toilets, where medical emergencies are undetectable from outside.

The simplest solution is the obvious one, which has worked well up to very recently, when a small but noisy and sometimes violent group of men and their allies started demanding to use the women's toilets:
biological men use the men's, biological women use the women's, people with disabilities who actually need the adaptations use the accessible toilets.

Your 'fair and sensible' suggestion is neither.

Last time I checked transmen didn’t have penises and so aren’t a rape threat to women. I have zero issue whatsoever with trans men in women’s loos. Why would we! We’re not transphobic but MEN phobic. Men. Men. Men.

Evidence please?

I must say I do appreciate @SassyFawn deviating from the script around the guidance. I note Sassy adopts guidance rather than the dominant use of guidance

I'm not phobic of men.

I have a rational caution of being vulnerable in a confined space with strange men based on a lifetime of being female and all the life experiences that entails.

And if lived experience isn't sufficient to justify caution around strange men, stats and data would suggest it was a rational position to take.

Given 99% of sex offences committed by men, 80% of violent offences, and the number of women who are subject to abuse at the hands of men over a lifetime (around 1 in 3 according to WHO estimates).

www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women

Well yes. And that’s a perfectly reasonable position to have and should be respected.

So many men don’t know or care about how many women are sexually assaulted each year. It’s estimated to be about £1m women in the UK. Unknown men are a threat.

Google Mumsnet and third spaces.

You'll see thread after thread where we have been told that that such spaces are 'transphobic and othering' by TRA's.

There is no acceptable solution for TRA's apart from the complete capitulation of women.

And we say no. Not your support humans or validation resources.

(I realise any appeal to you is somewhat pointless as you are following the current TRA script but this is for the lurkers).

Oh dear. Did you just suggest that 'no debate' has been done by us?!

You really are following a mirroring/Darvo script 😆

The mirroring/DARVO is so obvious, isn't it?

It reminds me of that irritating thing that little kids sometimes do, where they just keep repeating what you say, and WILL NOT STOP!
Stop repeating everything I say
Stop repeating everything I say
No I mean it, stop!
No I mean it, stop!
It's not funny!
It's not funny!
It's really annoying, just stop doing it, please!
It's really annoying, just stop doing it, please!'
and so on.

Wouldn't it be fun if all us GCers got together and invented a phrase which we deliberately placed into the debate, and then watched with glee as TRAs started to use it against us