How do we deal with this? Transmen have police called on them

[SadiraOfTyr]

I honestly don’t know how this can be addressed. A group of male-identifying women used the women’s toilets, as they are required to where they live, and got the police called on them.

Obviously they did it as a stunt, but what really might the solution be? They are committing a criminal offence using the men’s.

www.erininthemorning.com/p/police-called-on-trans-men-using

Indeed, and I am pretty certain that the vast majority of trans-identified females will understand that and would never want to re-traumatise another woman.

But one of the premises of the advocacy against transitioning is that people can always tell when someone is trans and that the concept of the passing trans person doesn’t exist.

If that is true then the trans man in women’s facilities or groups would be known to everyone to be biologically female so women using those facilities would not feel they are under threat because they are in the presence of a cisgender man.

So the only rationale for excluding a trans man from women’s spaces is not that other users feel threatened because he is a man, but rather that they feel uncomfortable being around someone who looks and sounds like a man.

You’d have your glasses on in a public loo, surely?

Trans men need to use toilets (e.g. to change tampons) just as urgently as cis women.

Passing them by in a public corridor isn't retraumatising. And yes, I am a survivor of violence. It's ridiculous to suggest that queuing or using a sink next to a trans guy hurts anyone.

Using slurs against them is totally unnecessary too.

Well, gender critical people don’t all believe the exact same things about the whole issue.

In my opinion, a very small number of transmen do pass. Not many transwomen do- generally only those who blocked puberty and got onto cross sex hormones at a young age.

The transmen that I know personally are still obviously female, but I’m aware that there are a few transmen out there who pass pretty convincingly (visually at least; the voice often gives the game away).

Men can also use women’s toilets. It’s not illegal. It’s always been societal expectations (and women knowing they can object when they are ignored) that has kept decent men out.

The problem with changing those expectations, so women were unclear on whether it was reasonable to object was that many women didn’t feel confident in asking for men to be removed.

Obviously in the case of toilets, it is likely this will be based on appearance as no additional checks will be done. It’s imperfect and always has been and that’s normal in society, but it worked well enough to help women for around 100 years before men began to claim they were women and insisted women were not allowed to object.

We were talking about RCCs.
Wrt toilets, I imagine many trans-identified females will choose the unisex option.
I cba to ask you to point out the slur, because to TRAs everything they don't like about reality is a 'slur'.

As I stated above, this is a fabricated scenario, deliberately plotted to show how "absurd", according to trans activists and their handmaidens, the legal obligation to recognise biological sex is (to be clear, I don't think this is absurd, I think it's entirely logical.

In Kansas, where these biological females pulled their stunt, identity document must indicate biological sex and not made-up gender woo woo. These females could easily have shown their driver's licences as soon as they were questioned by the people who run the toilet facility or the other women in it. That the police ended up being called suggests they were deliberately not showing their driver's licences. They wanted to create an incident.

They are literally wearing t-shirts with the logo "SB244 Compliance Crew", SB244 being the law that states that only biological sex, not made-up gender woo woo, is relevant for same-sex spaces, so if the police were called they would likely have understood straight away what was going on, and so probably would the management. They also say in the article that they and other "SB244 Compliance Crew" members went into other women's facilities, mostly without complaint other than dirty looks, but it's not explained why this particular incident escalated. They don't make any specific accusations against the facility management, so what happened? Did the "Crew" deliberately try to escalate things because they were getting so little response from their other organised visits to women's facilities and wanted to up the ante to get in the media?