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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.

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AsWithGlad · 10/08/2026 14:37

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Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

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ErrolTheDragon · 15/08/2026 10:52

below 20 and overcast here too. I’ve been out with a watering can doing the pots - I discovered DH had a lot of soluble MiracleGro lurking in the garage. I’m very bad at feeding my plants.

PastaAllaNorma · 15/08/2026 10:53

19⁰ and overcast - I saw people wearing jackets while I was doing errands this morning.

Today sewing things for the guinea pigs, now our loft bedroom isn't so stuffy. I couldn't face sitting there at the sewing machine when it was 36⁰ in there's!

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/08/2026 11:27

What are you sewing for the guinea pigs, Pasta?

The friends who are going to look after Kitty while I’m in Norway popped round first thing to see what’s where & get my keys, which also means the weekend tidying got done much earlier than usual. I need to run a few errands so I’m going to do that soon, then the only other thing on the weekend job list is cooking dal for office lunches.

Except that Kitty’s just been making hairball noises in her eyrie so that might need cleaning - which involves shifting furniture & getting the stepladder out 🙄

FuzzyPuffling · 15/08/2026 11:44

Hot and sunny in the SW. Again.

Chickadeeinme · 15/08/2026 13:16

Sunny this morning so I suppose it will get hot later but it’s very pleasant at the moment. Yesterday was lovely - temps in the mid-70sF, whatever that is in C.

FuzzyPuffling · 15/08/2026 13:26

Chickadeeinme · 15/08/2026 13:16

Sunny this morning so I suppose it will get hot later but it’s very pleasant at the moment. Yesterday was lovely - temps in the mid-70sF, whatever that is in C.

I think 23°C is the same as 73°F.

Boiledbeetle · 15/08/2026 13:41

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/08/2026 11:27

What are you sewing for the guinea pigs, Pasta?

The friends who are going to look after Kitty while I’m in Norway popped round first thing to see what’s where & get my keys, which also means the weekend tidying got done much earlier than usual. I need to run a few errands so I’m going to do that soon, then the only other thing on the weekend job list is cooking dal for office lunches.

Except that Kitty’s just been making hairball noises in her eyrie so that might need cleaning - which involves shifting furniture & getting the stepladder out 🙄

Mine makes it easy for me. He either does it on my duvet whilst I'm sleeping under it. Or does it right where I put my feet when I get out of bed.

Good job I love him.

MarieDeGournay · 15/08/2026 13:47

EmpressaurusKitty
What are you sewing for the guinea pigs, Pasta?

I presume Kitty is sewing tiny little Monty Don outfits out of scraps of linen and cotton, as if I remember rightly, the guinea pigs look after the garden at the Bluey?

MarieDeGournay · 15/08/2026 14:13

EdithStourton · 15/08/2026 10:13

I love Hopkins - far and away my favourite poet. I know that verse Marie shared pretty much by heart.

I've never got the whole way through The Wreck of the Deutschland, but the first verse gets me every time:
Thou, mastering me
God! giver of breath and bread;
World's strand, sway of the sea;
Lord of living and dead;
Thou hast bound bones & veins in me, fastened me flesh,
And after it almost unmade, what with dread,
Thy doing: and dost thou touch me afresh?
Over again I feel thy finger and find thee.

I did check that to Google, but I know it pretty much by heart too. I'm eternally grateful to the friend who put his work in front of me, open at Pied Beauty, and said, 'Read this.' I was 14 or 15 at the time, and Hopkins has come along with me ever since.

It's lovely that so many of you enjoy the nature notes, so I'll keep writing them. I'm going down to Hare Valley this afternoon, and will report back.

I love The Wreck of the Deutschland too, Edith - I haven't read it for a while, thank you for the reminder.

A distant branch of my family left Germany because of the same anti-Catholic Falk Laws which expelled the nuns who perished on the Deutschland.

This may seem like a big leap, but there's a song by the Canadian songwriter Gordon Lightfoot ['If you could read my mind' is his best-known song] which is about a ship that sank in Lake Superior in 1975, with the loss of all 29 souls on board.

It always makes me think of the Wreck of the Deutschland, it places you in the middle of the disaster,
Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?

and the little human detail of
When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck
Sayin', "Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
At 7 p.m. a main hatchway caved in
He said, "Fellas, it's been good to know ya"

Here's more of it:
........
The captain wired in, he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters
......
In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald
....
Gordon Lightfoot - The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald Lyrics & Meaning

PastaAllaNorma · 15/08/2026 14:18

Kitty, I'm sewing fleece and towelling liners for their indoor habitat because they are less messy (and cuter) than using newspaper, chopped cardboard and hay. I bought some remnants of fleeces and am using old towels as the absorbent layer.

However, Andy the plumber has turned up to mend the en suite shower and has taken over the whole space with tools and mess, so I beat a tactical retreat. With no place to lay things out flat I made a couple of errors on my first attempt.
Luckily I used the most boring pattern first (black and white plaid) so I haven't spoilt the cute stuff.

Now I'm outside, starting on a poncho DD has requested. I found some gorgeous yarn that's 85% wool and 15% silk in muted autumn shades I was given by someone who's abandoned knitting and crochet, so I'm using that.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
PastaAllaNorma · 15/08/2026 14:27

Marie, I grew up on Gordon Lightfoot, he was a local guy!

I do hate the line "The Big Lake they call Gitche Gumee." It sounds daft. Otherwise the Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald gives me chills.
Those poor souls.

Kitty, when the liners are all made there are tunnels, snuggle pouches and lap mats to sew.

NotAtMyAge · 15/08/2026 14:28

Boiledbeetle · 15/08/2026 10:13

It's chilly and overcast!

YAY

It was the same with us this morning, but the overcast has melted away and the chilly has turned warm again with the sun, especially as the wind has dropped. I honestly can't wait for a morning when I have to get dressed in something with long sleeves. 😓

AsWithGlad · 15/08/2026 15:08

Something I found cheerful.

I’ve been reading a lot about race (discrimination and DEI) over the last few days, for an obvious reason, but have just had my attention drawn to this 2023 report from KCL.

It’s titled “Love thy neighbour? Public trust and acceptance of those who live beside us” and compares 24 countries with survey results covering 2005- 2022.

Comparing UK results over that period we are less likely to have a problem living next to people who are gay, have AIDS, are immigrants or are of a different race, and our results are far lower than many other countries.
We are more likely now to object to living next to drug addicts, and also people who are heavy drinkers although that increase is less, going from 48% in 1981 to 57% in 2022.

I wonder what the results might be if they also start looking at attitudes to having trans people as neighbours.

Link if you don’t like clicking on magic links.
www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/assets/love-thy-neighbour.pdf

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AsWithGlad · 15/08/2026 15:12

Photo pinched from a thread about D Trump’s hair, and possible ‘enhancements’.

Does this look like a family member of any Bluestocking supporters? They are not looking very happy in their new role.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
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EmpressaurusKitty · 15/08/2026 15:17

Those are really lucky guinea pigs, Pasta!

I had a zoom call with a colleague in Finland the other day who said she’d got hold of some yarn with luminous strands in it & was making herself a hat & scarf for winter, which seemed like a good idea.

WearyAuldWumman · 15/08/2026 15:46

PastaAllaNorma · 15/08/2026 14:27

Marie, I grew up on Gordon Lightfoot, he was a local guy!

I do hate the line "The Big Lake they call Gitche Gumee." It sounds daft. Otherwise the Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald gives me chills.
Those poor souls.

Kitty, when the liners are all made there are tunnels, snuggle pouches and lap mats to sew.

DH was on the Scottish folk scene for a while - he loved Gordon Lightfoot.
I keep getting mixed up between Gordon Lightfoot and Gordon Bok. (Purely because of the forename, of course.) I think it was the latter that was at the Keith Folk Festival one time when DH was there for the 'singaround'.

Thehorticulturalhussie · 15/08/2026 15:48

AsWithGlad · 15/08/2026 15:12

Photo pinched from a thread about D Trump’s hair, and possible ‘enhancements’.

Does this look like a family member of any Bluestocking supporters? They are not looking very happy in their new role.

Oh for goodness sake that's Emily, I wasn't sure where she'd gone. She muttered something about a 'special assignment of international significance' before she snuck off. I suppose we'll have to go and get her xx

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/08/2026 15:53

MyrtleLion · 14/08/2026 19:13

And they're paying for it, so it's now a consumer good.

They don’t understand that they are paying for the education - lectures, tutorials, access to materials - but it is up to them to make the best use of it. I am betting that the students who think they are paying for a qualification, not an education, are the ones who don’t feel the need to turn up to lectures or tutorials or to do the work.

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/08/2026 16:05

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/08/2026 15:53

They don’t understand that they are paying for the education - lectures, tutorials, access to materials - but it is up to them to make the best use of it. I am betting that the students who think they are paying for a qualification, not an education, are the ones who don’t feel the need to turn up to lectures or tutorials or to do the work.

And it has never occurred to them that a qualification they’ve earned is going to be far more use long term than one they’ve got by cheating. How do they think jobs work?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/08/2026 16:07

Like degrees, I suspect - mummy and daddy make people give them one - and it will be a job that doesn’t involve doing too much actual work.

ChristmasStars · 15/08/2026 16:33

Ooh @EmpressaurusKitty I remember you are learning Norwegian but only just realised that is because you're going to Norway!
I love Norway - can you tell us where you're going? Nice climate!

Thehorticulturalhussie · 15/08/2026 16:35

PastaAllaNorma · 15/08/2026 14:18

Kitty, I'm sewing fleece and towelling liners for their indoor habitat because they are less messy (and cuter) than using newspaper, chopped cardboard and hay. I bought some remnants of fleeces and am using old towels as the absorbent layer.

However, Andy the plumber has turned up to mend the en suite shower and has taken over the whole space with tools and mess, so I beat a tactical retreat. With no place to lay things out flat I made a couple of errors on my first attempt.
Luckily I used the most boring pattern first (black and white plaid) so I haven't spoilt the cute stuff.

Now I'm outside, starting on a poncho DD has requested. I found some gorgeous yarn that's 85% wool and 15% silk in muted autumn shades I was given by someone who's abandoned knitting and crochet, so I'm using that.

Sometimes, like now, I am reminded that I have no discernible creative skills. Your Guinea pigs could probably do a better job than me. I am in awe of those who craft. Are crafty?

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/08/2026 16:47

ChristmasStars · 15/08/2026 16:33

Ooh @EmpressaurusKitty I remember you are learning Norwegian but only just realised that is because you're going to Norway!
I love Norway - can you tell us where you're going? Nice climate!

Oslo, a night in Flåm, then on to Bergen with a ride on the Flåm railway, an afternoon cruise & some other excitement on the way, then 2 nights in Bergen & train all the way back to Oslo on the last day. Really excited!

As for Norwegian Duolingo, having forced me through cinema trips, tastes in podcasts & broken microwaves, it’s almost up to the hotels section. I know everyone will speak English but I’d still like to have a go.

ChristmasStars · 15/08/2026 16:49

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/08/2026 16:47

Oslo, a night in Flåm, then on to Bergen with a ride on the Flåm railway, an afternoon cruise & some other excitement on the way, then 2 nights in Bergen & train all the way back to Oslo on the last day. Really excited!

As for Norwegian Duolingo, having forced me through cinema trips, tastes in podcasts & broken microwaves, it’s almost up to the hotels section. I know everyone will speak English but I’d still like to have a go.

Excellent! We once did that very same trip on the Flåm railway. Good choice!

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/08/2026 16:53

ChristmasStars · 15/08/2026 16:49

Excellent! We once did that very same trip on the Flåm railway. Good choice!

Great! I’ll share my adventures with the Bluey & see if I can write as vividly as Edith.

I usually go to Italy because of family history & because I speak Italian (more or less) so this will be something completely new.

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