"I thought gender surgery would make me feel better. I was misled"

[SidewaysOtter]

I've always said that one of the things that would finally do for this ideology was big lawsuits...and here we are:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/60b9377e-aeba-4e02-9244-dc49098eab5a?shareToken=879697222a082259a21ab3ead7c4d33d&ver=article

I agree with your point about civil claims @SidewaysOtter and I’ve always thought that the reality of these might be a welcome wake up call. Unfortunately if the doctors were complying with accepted medical practice at the time, I’m doubtful that these claims will succeed. And if they do, it will be the taxpayers in the UK who pay for claims against the NHS.

The strange thing to me is that the article says that he thought there would be few side effects of the orchiectomy. Surely what he’s complaining about isn’t a side effect? It was the intended result?

It can definitely also go the other. Someone who was isolated can fit in and not be isolated after transition.

I saw a video of Jazz Jennings - he was leaving the hospital in a wheelchair after his neo vagina was fashioned. He felt the stitches pull apart and was wheeled straight back into the operating theatre for 'revision' surgery. Afterwards he was talking about this problem, and his mother told him he shouldn't speak of it, because it might put people off having the surgery.

I am glad that people feel able now to speak of life after 'gender-affirming' surgery.

the wording, from an adult, referring to something that took place when he was an adult: "I thought gender surgery would make me feel better. I was misled".

Not "I was wrong".

'Hello mother I'm back from the market, a man gave me five magic beans for the cow'.

All very well in a fairy tale, but really, at 24?

Absolutely. All sorts of things can go wrong with communication. Patients give back all sorts of things they thought they heard. And after surgery-especially a knee replacement, they often say, I know you said it was the most painful operation to have and that the pain would be a huge hurdle to get over but I never thought you actually meant this much 🤷‍♀️

There’s a difference here though between having mental health issues around gender dysphoria and mental health issues that impact understanding. I haven’t seen anything around this person having extra needs (that may be my error and I haven’t noticed) but having extra needs is something else entirely and requires a different consent process and involves more people.
the issue is all the positive affirmation they see on twitter and TikTok and other platforms. It must be incredibly difficult to sort that out in your mind when the surgeon says one thing and you read or watch loads of people saying another.

That’s a hard read. It’s astounding that this pernicious ideology has so easily infiltrated the medical profession and resulted in such harms.

Someone having that degree of difficulty with reality about their issues shouldn’t be considered for life changing surgery.

If you think the advice given by your surgeon and what people tell you on TikTok are equivalent, you’re not competent to decide.

It is worth knowing that Reddit boards are full of transwomen rhapsodising about the joys of ‘girl orgasms’ that they expect to experience once they have take enough oestrogen and progesterone. They write in great detail and would be easily believed by those who are following the trans party line.

quite how they know they are having ‘girl orgasms’ is a mystery, since they could never have experienced one. But I dare say this explains why they want to keep their lady penis. And they always talk about girl orgasms rather than admit to the grown up sort.

some posters are honest and say they have never experienced one but these tend to be ignored or down voted. I think this desire for the right orgasm runs in parallel with the belief that they go through a second puberty while lacking the organs to experience this.

it is profoundly sad.

It really is very sad. These people will have been immersed in an online world where they have no real idea of who is behind the avatars. They are absolutely misled by these forums and groups who dismiss any negative aspects of medicalisation and surgery. The groups often encourage isolation from family members.

That sounds more like the AGP end of things: the fantasy of having an orgasm as a female.

Other than that I don’t see why a female experience would be preferable to a male one. Talk of “girl orgasms” rather than female ones is somewhat disturbing, though.

You often hear from trans women that all their artificial organs just start magically working like the real thing.

Probably most of these trans women haven't had any surgery, are just sitting there with their beards telling impressionable people how great everything is.

Hell, I had one, in a face-to-face interaction, tell me outright that his obgyn told him that if she hadn't known his neovagina wasn't the real thing, she would never have known. Like, what am I supposed to do then? Believe that??? Or instead believe that I couldn't trust anything he said anymore, if he could invent something like that??

So female orgasms in a male body? Okay, whatever.

If someone does their own research or not the surgeon is legally obliged to explain all possible outcomes, good and bad. That is what informed consent means. No homework necessary as it needs to come from the person doing the surgery.

When each patient is being checked in for surgery (if of age and conscious/compos mentis) they are asked if they understand the surgery they are having done. It's a really, really important concept and is taken very seriously.

They’ve all seen too much hentai and think Ahegao is actually how real women experience sex 🙄

NB Ahegao = porn-related so google with care

I've had to google 'hentai' as I've sen it mentioned on here several times. And now I'm off for some mind bleach.

Hell, I had one, in a face-to-face interaction, tell me outright that his obgyn told him that if she hadn't known his neovagina wasn't the real thing, she would never have known.

All part of the fantasy that they 'pass' etc. Either that or the Obgyn needs to go to Specsavers.

Would you advise against the google @SidewaysOtter ? Have been intrigued too!

All very dull really; Japanese anime and manga perversion, fetishism and abnormality porn.

What @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime says - it's anime porn.

Presumably this explains the low numbers who detransition , or go public with it. You could lose the few friends you have. Social death in addition to all your other problems.

I'm reminded of some fairly high profile trans-identified woman who detransitioned very publicly (well, via X) - LegalTweetz, I think? She seemed to get a lot of support, including from JKR, but she'd clearly had a lot of flack from the Trans Community and fled back to them with - IIRC - the claim that it was all an effort to 'go under cover to expose the GCs'.

Shades of Mary Warren in The Crucible when the other girls turn on her for saying they were all making it up.

Also shades of Amy Whatsit who, years ago, claimed she had travelled over to UK from US to strategise with feminists here on how to get the GC movement started in the States and when she wasn’t feted sufficiently she went running to Pink News with an exposé of British Terfs. She wrote that she was offered a wife among other daft 'undercover revelations' 🙄🤯😁