"I thought gender surgery would make me feel better. I was misled"

[SidewaysOtter]

I've always said that one of the things that would finally do for this ideology was big lawsuits...and here we are:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/60b9377e-aeba-4e02-9244-dc49098eab5a?shareToken=879697222a082259a21ab3ead7c4d33d&ver=article

Simple terms which will have long been declared "transphobic" no doubt.

When 'research' means asking quesions on Reddit or exploring trans-affirming sites, there's not much chance of the patient (victim?) developing any realistic understanding of the consequences. And when clinics do not follow up, or do not make folow-up data available, and when universities forbid research into this field, what hope is there of the average individual learning more than the ideological dogma? Even more so when the patient/victim is already in a poor mental and emotioanl state.

Even more so when the patient/victim is already in a poor mental and emotioanl state

He says as much:

“At the time, it seemed like there were these common narratives about how much life would improve if you transitioned, how much better you would feel about your body and so on,” he said. “I think I jumped into the decision for this surgery in an emotional state of mind, and I felt that it was very quick to actually get into the surgery itself from that point on.”

Which is pretty much a given anyway, since he was very young, and young people are not known for making the most rational decisions. In fact, I would argue that it's an integral part of the surgeon's job to ensure that behind the emotional enthusiasm, there's a rational understanding of the cons of the surgery. But as already said, even the surgeons who would have wanted to do that, would have been prevented from it through the risk of being accused of transphobia

Don't castrate physically healthy men with mental health issues (or indeed ones without mental health issues come to that). Feels like something you shouldn't have to say to a doctor, but apparently you do.

It's awful that vulnerable adults have been mutilated, and twice as awful that is has happened to children. These law suits should bring to a close something that never should have happened in the first place

Which sites?

I've seen TRA's online claiming that they have shuddering head to toe orgasms after their penises have been removed.

The remaining bits that are inverted, apparently give them better orgasms than they had before, just like a woman.

So prospective patients 'doing their own research' won't help.

You aren't considering the age at which many people begin to transition. Teenagers, irrespective of their mental health, are notorious for being 'right' and knowing what's best for them. Objectively we, as adults, can see the risks and potential for harm in many behaviours and attitudes but not all young people are willing to listen. They may well do their own 'research' but are teenagers going to trawl through the academic papers or are they 'researching' on reddit or discord?

Helen Webberley, the crank doctor du jour for gender issues, claimed only yesterday that cross sex hormones make people go through the puberty of the opposite sex. Was adamant.

The state’s Supreme Court ordered the clinic to reopen, but it said none of its doctors were willing to provide care amid fears of repercussion

Wtf - how can a court order the reopening?

In addition she said something like they often have better experiences 'between the sheets' because their bodies match. Kjk tried to draw her many times on whether they lose sexual function. She wasn't prepared to engage at all with that line of discussion. All we got was sheer obfuscation and an attempt to confuse with talk of primary and secondary sexual characteristics.
From memory there was a point where she claimed men can be happier to grow facial hair than with their penis, which kk roundly contradicted.

It was awful.

If you cut off your testicles and most of your penis off and then invert the rest, there's no fucking way you're going to have a great sex life.

As a high proportion of cancer patients have a mental health issue (unsurprisingly), I disagree.

I mean; how did we get to a place where this 'comparison' is written down?

You think we should remove someone's penis because other people get cancer?

It's nonsense.

It is ALL SUCH FUCKING NONSENSE!

Given the number of people who think they are actually changing sex, I have grave doubts about your assertion.

That's before we get into all the accounts of people now saying they had no bloody idea what it actually entailed afterwards; nor the ones too young to understand what never having an orgasm or lifetime loss of other sexual function (to name one) means, given they are still children at the time.

And I shan't dwell on the likes of Heather Herbert who gave us all a delightful and very public (written, thank god) account of himself dilating his surgical wound on the floor of a disabled public bathroom.

If HeWe claimed today is Saturday I'd still check the fucking calendar.

She also said (repeatedly) that the orgasms experienced by trans people are better than the ones experienced by people who haven't transitioned. Each time she said it I wanted to ask her how she knows this: is she all the individuals in each category, so that she is able to make such a sweeping judgement? (This was the Triggernometry debate. right?)

You only have to look through certain Reddit forums (or Himdia's X account) to find people who genuinely think they've changed sex. I've also seen comments from trans identified females who think they can grow their breasts back if they change their mind after top surgery.

It's hardly surprising that there is a fundamental lack of critical thinking, even for such life changing surgery. Transgender forums are echo chambers - much as MN gets accused of that, those who disagree with us don't get banned - and dissenting or questioning voices are absolutely not heard. And these are often people looking for a solution to a problem: an escape from harassment or abuse, an explanation for why they don't fit in, a way out of gender stereotypes or whatever. Social transitioning, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, none of them were the answer so surely surgery will give them the relief/safety/answers they crave, yes? And why would they want to hear from those who say it won't?

Throw in health care professionals who are busy signalling their virtue, pushing agendas and/or making money and careers out of this, and you've got vulnerable people being let down by those whose very job it is to protect them.

And by the time the reality is clear it is far too late. This was always a huge scandal waiting to happen.

Have they? Do you mean a pre existing mental health condition or just unhappiness/anxiety directly related to their treatment and potential death

Yes, trigonometry.

If you have taken puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones, you have the genitals of a pre pubescent child.

I too wanted that aspect explored a lot more. How can you stop someone from going through puberty and then claim they have great orgasms

i feel so sorry for him. But at the same time, he was a part of a movement who would willingly have hounded into unemployment anyone who'd said no to him or questioned his 'womanhood'.
This, when the surgeons weren’t doing the surgery and affirming the wonderness of transitioners, they were sued, fired and threatened…. Now they’ve got what they wanted and it wasn’t the magic unicorn… it’s all
“how could you do this to me!! I am a poor blameless victim!!”

Sad. A child fed the bullshit change sex and all will be good crap.

There will be many more court cases. Doctors, professionals, social workers, teachers, parents, all in the lie of you can change sex bullshit.

Because trans activism will appropriate ANYTHING alin service of men's special feelings.

It's basically an empty bag inside you. Needs cleaning too since it's not natural