Vulva Only Spaces

[Lurkingandlearning]

Is this what we need to be asking for now?

That wouldn't exclude people who had transitioned. But it would exclude people who have a penis. Surely when people had transitioned and have a vulva instead of a penis they would feel exactly the same way, as women.

MN is not your actual mum. Good grief.

You used your Very Own Words and people disagreed with you.

Grow up.

That is a goady, inflammatory suggestion.

I don't like the title of your post and I don't believe you are a genuine poster. I think you are here to annoy women and point out how stupid we all are.

There's nothing wrong with the word Woman.

Your edit, I think, is indicative of your frame of mind.

Go do something less stressful to you.

What does correcting a typo indicate?

So you mean they don’t feel the same as women until they’ve had full genital surgery?

You do know that would exclude about 90% of transwomen?

ETA: also, do you think that anyone with a penis doesn’t know they shouldn’t be in a women’s changing room? I mean, they’re there because they want to be. Putting a different sign up isn’t going to make them suddenly think they shouldn’t be there?

I’m confused. All Betty did was fix a typo and add an ‘r’.

How is that indicative of a change of mind?

Oh. Snap. I am confused as well!

My edit, for those wondering, was correcting 'you' to 'your'.

This is, apparently, 'indicative of my frame of mind'. 🤔🤨

@Lurkingandlearning castrated men are not women.

women are adult human females

I suppose if a poster didn't realise that you could view the original pre edited post they might think they could imply something about the pre edited post

OP, do you mean that transwomen who have had the surgery wouldn’t be as threatening because they’re not able to rape women in these spaces? Is that what you mean, like a compromise of sorts?
I’m pretty sure most transwomen wouldn’t want to cause any harm but it’s not the point really, the point is if women aren’t comfortable sharing their space, then that’s the end of it. We can alleviate risks as much as we can by saying no to anyone with a penis, but it doesn’t change that lots of women don’t want a biological man in their space. Penis or no penis, they’re just unwelcome.
I’m of the opinion that a 3rd space is needed now and that’s all there is to it. Some women like myself will be ok using unisex bathrooms if it’s necessary but some women would rather not and they’re the ones who we should be catering for.
There are so many arguments and rebuttals for this issue from either side about rights vs safety and the point I always find myself coming back to is, do women deserve to be uncomfortable in their spaces? No.
Im pretty sure most transwomen wouldn’t harm anyone and if a man was determined to get into a bathroom to rape a woman they’d just do it so I get why people think that’s a decent argument for TW in women’s spaces but ultimately for me it’s simply, women have fought for the space and we need to respect that they want to keep it. We should work together to keep these spaces separate and find a solution for trans people. I know I’ll be told that they don’t want a third space and that transwomen want to be indulged into having access to our spaces. And I say, tough. If a fair option is available and you refuse it and choose to make women uncomfortable then you’re a selfish arsehole.

@Lurkingandlearning

Robin White has used the same suggestion as you, he believes he is a “somatic” woman.

He sounds like a man, and looks like a very large intimidating man. He dresses himself in a strange Mrs Doubtfire type garb, which he thinks is womanly.

He believes he has a vulva.

India Willoughby thinks he is a woman, he believes he has grown a cervix. He stalks and abuses real women on line calling them vile names.

so no surprise your suggestion is derided.

Frankly its insulting.

I am genuinely confused OP

Do you or don’t you think the defining element for female people is that male people have a penis? And if removed and a surgeon creates something that resembles a vulva, are these male peiople acceptable as female people in your view or not?

Lurking but not learning. 🙄

Lurking but not remotely interested in learning.

Yes that is what I mean. Thank you for your thoughtful post.

This week must be end of an academic year.

You started this thread with an opening post that wanted to include cockless men in with women.

How did you think this was going to go?

lurking are you outside the UK? Because under uk law, women can have single sex spaces that are only for women.

if you live elsewhere, your suggestion might be a step on the road to more sensible laws.

But why does anyone think that a male person cannot abuse and harm female people simply because they no longer have a penis?

So by saying that you thought that men who have their penis removed should be allowed in women's spaces, you actually meant that those men should use third spaces and that if they demand otherwise they're selfish arseholes?

Didn't Sarah Jane Baker lop his off himself? I'm terrified of him and would rather not share a planet, let alone a changing room.

You seriously suggesting that we need to see people’s genitals in order to allow them access? Really? Really?

Tbf it does indicate a certain pedantry

Yep.

And didn’t a couple of male people with their penises surgically removed have a discussion on twitter mocking female toilet noises and habits.

It really doesn’t need a penis attached for a male person ro be abusive.