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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026

122 replies

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 10:16

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

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StrongestWoman · Today 13:38

So what is the current status for the Hampstead Ladies pond? I was there a few weeks ago and there was definitely signs up stating that Ladies included men with 'lady feelings' . (And also signs saying 'For women only).

Obanotters · Today 13:40

Men who ignore the law regarding women’s boundaries are never harmless.

Obanotters · Today 13:42

StrongestWoman · Today 13:38

So what is the current status for the Hampstead Ladies pond? I was there a few weeks ago and there was definitely signs up stating that Ladies included men with 'lady feelings' . (And also signs saying 'For women only).

Awaiting a court hearing. Sadly the city managed to delay the hearing so women are having their rights ignored over the summer.

BiologicalRobot · Today 13:48

Men who ignore the law regarding women’s boundarie are never harmless.

Repeated for those at the back, like MakesNoDifference

BornToBeWithYourMan · Today 13:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 12:33

Also this. Is it really too much to expect men to respect women’s boundaries?

This is the thing, these FAKEwomen don't respect anything.

I refuse to use trans-this, trans that, the word is FAKE.

MakesNoDifference · Today 14:01

FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 13:16

Wow watch those goalposts zoom around!

One for the TRA arguements list I think - make the case something is reasonable based only on the exceptional few, but then apply that justification to the whole group without exception.

"Some trans women are harmless and have taken steps to transition eg I.e hormones, surgery. So they should surely be allowed in. But there's no policing of spaces. So I guess we just have to let all the men who claim to be women in then, amirite? After all, it is obvious that it is better for women to be deprived of single sex spaces altogether than for a man who claims to be a women and might have got away with a bit of harmless casual toilet deception loses out, surely you monsters can understand that?"

I’m sorry if I gave the wrong impression. That’s not what I was trying to say. I think it used to be understood that you actually had to transition and make an effort not to alarm anyone. I think it should be based on a GRC like it was meant to be and GRCs should be harder to get.

Obanotters · Today 14:01

BornToBeWithYourMan · Today 13:48

This is the thing, these FAKEwomen don't respect anything.

I refuse to use trans-this, trans that, the word is FAKE.

The word is MEN

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 14:01

StrongestWoman · Today 13:38

So what is the current status for the Hampstead Ladies pond? I was there a few weeks ago and there was definitely signs up stating that Ladies included men with 'lady feelings' . (And also signs saying 'For women only).

AFAIK that policy is being challenged in court. There was a challenge which was thrown out, this was overturned on appeal and Sex Matters’ challenge has been allowed.

spannasaurus · Today 14:04

MakesNoDifference · Today 14:01

I’m sorry if I gave the wrong impression. That’s not what I was trying to say. I think it used to be understood that you actually had to transition and make an effort not to alarm anyone. I think it should be based on a GRC like it was meant to be and GRCs should be harder to get.

Having genital surgery can never be a requirement for getting a GRC. Its against human rights for sterilisation to be a condition for gaining legal rights.

Seethlaw · Today 14:06

MakesNoDifference · Today 14:01

I’m sorry if I gave the wrong impression. That’s not what I was trying to say. I think it used to be understood that you actually had to transition and make an effort not to alarm anyone. I think it should be based on a GRC like it was meant to be and GRCs should be harder to get.

it used to be understood that you actually had to transition

Socially only, though. There was never an obligation of a medical transition.

GRCs should be harder to get.

They can't be. Making them dependent on undergoing surgeries or taking hormones would be going against one's human right to bodily integrity.

palona · Today 14:15

Line up all men who claim to be women, on the opposite side line up all women.

Charge! 😊

Obanotters · Today 14:35

GRCs should be harder to get.

They should be impossible to get.

sanluca · Today 14:53

MakesNoDifference · Today 12:05

The code isn’t going to change anything. Dr Stephenson said she isn’t expecting spaces to be policed, and trans people have been using these spaces for decades so that isn’t going to change.

It will. It will empower women to complain when a man tries to claim being a transwoman and uses womens facilities where he is not wanted. Will every transwomen be challenged? Probably not, but will those nice genuine transwomen really break the law every time? Not so nice transwomen then

SidewaysOtter · Today 14:54

MakesNoDifference · Today 12:28

That is such an absolute fiction. Find me one case of a trans woman being prosecuted for just using the women’s toilet.

There are cases of trans-identified men being prosecuted for the acts they've committed while in women's spaces.

But this isn't necessarily about prosecuting trans people (although I'm sure there is the capacity to do so if someone was to insist on accessing a space that wasn't for them). It's about the PROVIDERS being prosecuted - the organisations with court bills and fines to pay as a result (which may well not be covered by any insurance) which would adversely affect their businesses (always assuming they didn't either go bust or lose a necessary licence as a result).

So ultimately it will be in the interest of those providing the facilities to ensure everyone is only using the facilities for their biological sex. Because the alternative is financial penalties, reputational damage and so on.

As for not changing anything, the code might not be policed but it will be enforced. We will make sure of that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 14:55

Obanotters · Today 14:35

GRCs should be harder to get.

They should be impossible to get.

Word.

Obanotters · Today 14:58

What the guidance does is make it clear that there is no excuse for a man to be in a women’s space so if he is then he is up to no good.

MakesNoDifference · Today 15:20

SidewaysOtter · Today 14:54

There are cases of trans-identified men being prosecuted for the acts they've committed while in women's spaces.

But this isn't necessarily about prosecuting trans people (although I'm sure there is the capacity to do so if someone was to insist on accessing a space that wasn't for them). It's about the PROVIDERS being prosecuted - the organisations with court bills and fines to pay as a result (which may well not be covered by any insurance) which would adversely affect their businesses (always assuming they didn't either go bust or lose a necessary licence as a result).

So ultimately it will be in the interest of those providing the facilities to ensure everyone is only using the facilities for their biological sex. Because the alternative is financial penalties, reputational damage and so on.

As for not changing anything, the code might not be policed but it will be enforced. We will make sure of that.

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That’s not what I asked though. I’m specifically talking about trans women who just use the toilet and leave.

SidewaysOtter · Today 15:27

MakesNoDifference · Today 15:20

That’s not what I asked though. I’m specifically talking about trans women who just use the toilet and leave.

If the transwoman is told not to go in there and does, that's potentially a public order offence, harassment or trespass. If providers of facilities allow it, it's the provider that could be prosecuted.

It's unlikely there will have been any cases yet because the SC ruling was only last year and everyone has been waiting for the guidance. But it's here now so there's no excuse, for either trans people or providers of facilities. There is no 'just using the loo and leaving', transwomen are not allowed in women only spaces.

Seethlaw · Today 15:27

MakesNoDifference · Today 15:20

That’s not what I asked though. I’m specifically talking about trans women who just use the toilet and leave.

From what I understand, they can do it. But they will risk landing the provider of the space they used in legal troubles.

So not only would they show that they don't care about the women using that space, but they also don't care about the provider of that space. That's a lot of people they don't care about.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · Today 15:42

In reporting the guidance enforcement date, Sky News has very unhelpfully sandwiched one incorrect/ambiguous paragraph in between two others which are correct:

From 5 August, thousands of single-sex toilets will need to change to be birth sex only | UK News | Sky News

The code of practice, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and was published in draft form in May, confirmed a service must be used on the basis of biological sex in order for it to be classed as single-sex under the Equality Act.

Service providers will be allowed to exclude trans people from single-sex spaces if they decide other users could "object" to the presence of a trans person.

If service providers allow trans women into women-only spaces, it will not legally be regarded as a woman-only space.

I can only assume that the middle paragraph refers to trans-identified women in, for example, rape crisis services, or, perhaps, public toilets if another woman complains. But I don't think the paragraph is at all helpful in this article.

Just more obfuscation to deal with. It should never have become so complicated! It's really not that difficult to understand, but there are those who will rely on everything being "too confusing."

Someone on another thread (can't recall which one) was pointing out that we now have an entire generation of young people who don't have a clue (or can pretend they don't have a clue) where they belong in society. What a mess!

Obanotters · Today 15:46

MakesNoDifference · Today 15:20

That’s not what I asked though. I’m specifically talking about trans women who just use the toilet and leave.

You mean a man posing himself on women in a space where it is clear he is not entitled to be? That would be harassment of the women there and possibly a public order offence.

MashaPav · Today 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s. It makes me sick seeing feminist identified transphobes destroying women’s rights by appropriating feminism.
Stay at home if you’re too “scared” to use a public toilet because trans people dare to exist.

Seethlaw · Today 15:52

MashaPav · Today 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s. It makes me sick seeing feminist identified transphobes destroying women’s rights by appropriating feminism.
Stay at home if you’re too “scared” to use a public toilet because trans people dare to exist.

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The only ones too scared to use a public toilet is trans people, especially transwomen, who whine at very long lengths about how using the gents' is so very dangerous.

RoseInAPot · Today 15:53

MashaPav · Today 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s. It makes me sick seeing feminist identified transphobes destroying women’s rights by appropriating feminism.
Stay at home if you’re too “scared” to use a public toilet because trans people dare to exist.

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That sounds rather threatening @MashaPav
Are you one of those ‘be kind’ people?

Most of us aren’t scared because ‘trans’ people exist, we just know we have the right to privacy, dignity, and safety, away from the male gaze.

Talkinpeace · Today 15:55

MashaPav · Today 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s. It makes me sick seeing feminist identified transphobes destroying women’s rights by appropriating feminism.
Stay at home if you’re too “scared” to use a public toilet because trans people dare to exist.

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When people tell you who they are, believe them