How trans people feel about correct-sex toilets, in their own words

[MyAmpleSheep]

This is an interesting Reddit thread where members of the trans community write about how they feel about not using wrong-sex bathrooms toilets facilities. (The original question doesn’t say toilets, but that’s how most responders have interpreted it, I think).

https://tinyurl.com/musmm897

There’s a mix of responses, some activist, some self-pitying, some stories that are sad. Genuinely useful and thought-provoking to read what people say.

I can’t very much influence how people should post here, but it would be very easy to only to highlight or mock the more unreasonable responses in that thread. Perhaps I’m allowed to ask Mumsnet posters to be thoughtful, though?

https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/09/21/brighton-mps-staffer-apologises-for-behaviour-at-pro-trans-protest/

It's grotesque that they use words like holocaust and genocide in this context.

I'm childless - it's my reality, it's not harsh

and to use an analogy - I'm childless; I wanted to have children but couldn't so I'm not a mother, just like some men really want to be women even though they're not

tje difference is I wouldn't dream of trying to force my way into spaces for mothers, wear a false pregnancy belly, insist maternity policies also included childless women who identify as mothers, join an NCT class or in any other way demand that I be treated as a mother because I identified as one

men who identify as women however have no compunction about forcing g themselves into women's spaces

Oh, it's another "just be kind" thread.

Because once again women need to be reminded frequently to be less violent, less intrusive and less in your face.

Who cares what men in dresses think. Men demand that their voices are front and centre.

It's partly what makes men so men-like.

This one passed me by before. Quite staggering.

Tell me you're a man without telling me you're a man.

I'm sorry but reading that just highlighted how this is an incredibly entitled group who refuse to take responsibility for the situation they caused by pushing 'trans acceptance' to ridiculous levels by demanding that ' one's gender identity does not need to match one's gender expression' and 'no-one can question your gender identity' and 'no debate,'

This meant that any piss taking, voyeuristic or predatory man could access any female-only space they wanted to. It created a massive safe guarding breach. And the trans activists like those on this thread, gave not one fuck about that. And they still don't.

So no, I don't feel sorry for entitled people who are quite openly stating on that thread that their rights trump those of the rest of the human population, especially the 50% who are women.

Reality is a bitch but most of us don't get to ignore the bits we don't like. When I spent almost 10 years trying for a baby I could have got a felt tip out and drawn a line on a pregnancy test and identified it as positive but it wouldn't have meant I was actually pregnant or conjured up a baby.
I could have identified my lovely Dad's cancer diagnosis as wrong, but that wouldn't have cured him.
Why should one group of people get to opt out of a reality when no one else does?

There's video footage, somewhere. It was quite disturbing.

What a powerful analogy x

I loved the Repent Motherfuckers with the tambourine 😂

Ah, the good old days.

Now all we get is whinge, whinge, whinge

For most smaller places the answer proper unisex facilities (basin in cubical which comes onto a corridor or room) suitable for all, makes life easier for parents too if they have opposite sex dc out on their own. For larger places adequate single sex plus proper unisex is the answer, and those who have a gender that doesn’t match their chromosomes can use these.

You’re woefully missing the point though. These particular men are demanding access to single sex spaces. They don’t want the easy option of unisex as that doesn’t validate them

For me it’s the gender dysphoria it provokes that’s hard to handle

Okay. But why would a man's dysphoria count for more than a woman's privacy, safety, and dignity?

That did make me chuckle. The most obvious solution, already ruled out 🤣

I read a FB comment earlier which summed it up for me:

...people saying "make all toilets unisex" are actually saying "ok, if we can't use your toilets, then you won't have your own toilets"....

It is exactly that level of spite. If we can't have yours, neither will you.

Sorry to quote myself but to all those showing sympathy thank you. I did eventually have a grumpy teen beautiful baby and Dad is 🤞 responding well to treatment so far.

This.

And they don't really want the 'allies' , they want the non consenting women for that validation. Otherwise the allies could join them in the gender neutral facilities, but that won't do.

Exactly. They totally take the “allies” for granted and are always whinging about them not being quite useful enough.

I can honestly say, hand on heart i don't give 2 fucks if they feel upset, not my issue, not my problem. Use the correct toilets. if you were born female use the ladies and if you were born male use the gents. It really is that simple.

And yet disabled people manage to survive this "degendering".

I think for at lot of them, what they think of as "gender dysphoria" is actually the enotional state of being distressed at being told they are wrong about something they are deeply emotionally invested in.

So whatever the reason they initially felt identifying as the opposite sex made sense for them, the distress they feel now is actually the outcome of adopting that trans identity rather than the reason they needed to adopt it.

Ahh.. yes... the 'gennies'.

I think a lot of them now never go through the stage of feeling “female” they just skip straight to being “trans” and “trans” explains everything and is the be all and end all. The way they talk about “cis women” demonstrates that they know they have little in common.