Help end medical misogyny. Sign our petition.

Help end medical misogyny.
Sign our petition.

Sign the petition

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Supporting women in prison.

91 replies

dylexicdementor11 · Yesterday 10:48

I’m delighted to see so many mumsnetters are concerned over the welfare of women in prison. However, I thought it might be good to point out that there are many organizations doing incredible work within women’s prisons.
If you have the time to engage with the it would be wonderful if you could support them and find more information about the issues women are actually facing in prison.

Here are some links that may point you in the right direction.

https://www.womeninprison.org.uk/

Home - Women In Prison

Women in Prison supports women affected by the criminal justice system and campaign to end the harm it causes.

https://www.womeninprison.org.uk

OP posts:
Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:34

Lovelyview · Today 08:31

I think you're missing the point but we'll agree to disagree. Thanks for all the useful links and do come back to share those petitions/campaigns to improve things for women in prison. I think we all agree it's important that some very vulnerable women are supported.

I advuse you to volunteer for one of these charities, meet female prisoners, and then discuss this with them.
When they tell you that this isn't an issue for them and they want to discuss their actual problems, will you redirect them to this issue that you want to tackle or will you listen to those vulnerable women?

This is assuming that youd ever violuntter with female prisoners at all.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:33

I can see perfectly what your priorities are without the benefit of telepathy @Lexibletheflexible given that you seem to spend a lot of time in FWR telling women what to do.

Edited

Yes my priorities are female prisoners. Yours seem more revolved around keeping trans women out of places they arent really in anyway.

Would you listen to the female prisoners about what there problems are, or would you decide what their problems are?

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:37

dylexicdementor11 · Today 08:24

You are missing the point, but that’s okay. 😊
I’ll bow out of this thread now, but I’m glad that some people have found the resources useful.

It really highlighted just how fixated some people are on their own obsessions to the detriment of vulnerable people.

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 08:39

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:32

Yes you are :-) if you care about a group of people, you care about what they care about.you help them with the things they need help with.

Trans women in women's prisons just isnt something female prisoners ever speak about because they have bigger and more pressing issues that present danger to their wellbeing

lol "honestly female prisoners just don't caaare if they're locked up with men" - as I said earlier, embarrassingly transparent especially when you're all over this board listing g that TWAW and we're all big thicky meany bigots for not agreeing they are the must vulnerable ever

I expect the women locked up with Karen white thought it was important but of course no one asked them did they as risk assessments were only ever done on potential risk to the TW rather than on any risk to women

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:41

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:36

Yes my priorities are female prisoners. Yours seem more revolved around keeping trans women out of places they arent really in anyway.

Would you listen to the female prisoners about what there problems are, or would you decide what their problems are?

I’m sorry, I don’t believe that’s your priority. I’m sure your time caring about women in prison could be better engaged than arguing with women on Mumsnet about why they should stop campaigning or even just letter writing, donating etc to uphold single sex spaces.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:41

I’m sorry, I don’t believe that’s your priority. I’m sure your time caring about women in prison could be better engaged than arguing with women on Mumsnet about why they should stop campaigning or even just letter writing, donating etc to uphold single sex spaces.

Lol I spend about an hour here a day. Sometimes when i am on my way to a prisoner related errand. I was arguing from Prisoners Abroad just the other day.

I think the person repeating "listen to prisoners" has more compassionate intent towards the prisoners than thise hyoerfocused on an issue that barely exists in this country.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:47

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 08:39

lol "honestly female prisoners just don't caaare if they're locked up with men" - as I said earlier, embarrassingly transparent especially when you're all over this board listing g that TWAW and we're all big thicky meany bigots for not agreeing they are the must vulnerable ever

I expect the women locked up with Karen white thought it was important but of course no one asked them did they as risk assessments were only ever done on potential risk to the TW rather than on any risk to women

That's how I know you dont know what you're talking about because I've never said TWAW. Silly.

The women locked up with Karen White will hsve.been dodging sexual assault and mistreatment from the POs before Karen got there, and long after Karen leaves.

This idea that women are only vulnerable to abuse in prison when trans women are inmates is ridiculous. It's more that women who are just like you and men who are just like your husband torture them while they are in there because they believe it's their job ti punish prisoners. That is an immediate concern to prisoners.

Their health
Their kids
Their education
Their housing

These are the things they care about

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:47

Anyway, have you not noticed yet, that we will prioritise what we wish to, regardless of what the TRA view is? I personally don’t care what TRAs or their mates say about Mumsnet. So your argument is pointless and you’re not getting anywhere.

Whataboutery is the resort of people with zero argument against the thing in question. If TRAs stopped trying to access women’s spaces, and the women who support them for whatever reason stopped supporting them in that, we’d all have a lot more time for important stuff, wouldn’t we?

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:48

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:43

Lol I spend about an hour here a day. Sometimes when i am on my way to a prisoner related errand. I was arguing from Prisoners Abroad just the other day.

I think the person repeating "listen to prisoners" has more compassionate intent towards the prisoners than thise hyoerfocused on an issue that barely exists in this country.

Why do you spend any time lecturing women here at all?

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:52

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:47

That's how I know you dont know what you're talking about because I've never said TWAW. Silly.

The women locked up with Karen White will hsve.been dodging sexual assault and mistreatment from the POs before Karen got there, and long after Karen leaves.

This idea that women are only vulnerable to abuse in prison when trans women are inmates is ridiculous. It's more that women who are just like you and men who are just like your husband torture them while they are in there because they believe it's their job ti punish prisoners. That is an immediate concern to prisoners.

Their health
Their kids
Their education
Their housing

These are the things they care about

It’s very interesting to get a window into your mindset. Why do you think @Theeyeballsinthesky would be the one torturing women in prison exactly? And you don’t know whether she has a “husband” how very heteronormative of you 😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:57

Video is Dr Kate Coleman at a women’s rights rally in Scotland reading out a letter from a female prisoner who had been locked up with men.

Luckydog7 · Today 08:58

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:37

It really highlighted just how fixated some people are on their own obsessions to the detriment of vulnerable people.

Why would women prisoners reveal their true feelings about men in women's prisons when you make it very clear that you don't care about it or acknowledge that it's a problem?

Many of us have had to self censure to protect ourselves from vilification, employment issues and social consequences. Women prisoners are already incredibly vulnerable, it would be awful for them to lose the support of an (otherwise) valuable ally in you in order to raise this point when you make it clear where you stand.

As pp have raised earlier. Hopefully the relatively 'miniscule' number of transwomen in prisons means that this is only a conceptual problem to many prisoners rather then a live issue and it's easy to believe that the women in this position would prioritise other more immediate issues.

I'm curious though, if you have spoken to women who actual live/share space with transwomen prisoners? Or only those (hopefully many) who have never had to deal with this and aren't imagining a large hairy murderer or sex offender sharing the showers with them.

We know that several (we don't know how many) women have been sexually assaulted in prison by transwomen. They have been to court over it and at the time got a shrug basically. What would you say to those women if you came across them in your volunteer work?

Would you tell them to focused on other things because it's such a tiny problem? Would you tell them they should have been more worried about prison guards?

Or would you tell them that the men who raped them were actually women and they should stop saying such awful things about the poor dears.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 09:05

Luckydog7 · Today 08:58

Why would women prisoners reveal their true feelings about men in women's prisons when you make it very clear that you don't care about it or acknowledge that it's a problem?

Many of us have had to self censure to protect ourselves from vilification, employment issues and social consequences. Women prisoners are already incredibly vulnerable, it would be awful for them to lose the support of an (otherwise) valuable ally in you in order to raise this point when you make it clear where you stand.

As pp have raised earlier. Hopefully the relatively 'miniscule' number of transwomen in prisons means that this is only a conceptual problem to many prisoners rather then a live issue and it's easy to believe that the women in this position would prioritise other more immediate issues.

I'm curious though, if you have spoken to women who actual live/share space with transwomen prisoners? Or only those (hopefully many) who have never had to deal with this and aren't imagining a large hairy murderer or sex offender sharing the showers with them.

We know that several (we don't know how many) women have been sexually assaulted in prison by transwomen. They have been to court over it and at the time got a shrug basically. What would you say to those women if you came across them in your volunteer work?

Would you tell them to focused on other things because it's such a tiny problem? Would you tell them they should have been more worried about prison guards?

Or would you tell them that the men who raped them were actually women and they should stop saying such awful things about the poor dears.

The video I posted is a letter from FDJ who brought the unsuccessful judicial review after she was sexually assaulted by a male rapist she was locked up with. It’s very damning.

Lovelyview · Today 09:06

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:34

I advuse you to volunteer for one of these charities, meet female prisoners, and then discuss this with them.
When they tell you that this isn't an issue for them and they want to discuss their actual problems, will you redirect them to this issue that you want to tackle or will you listen to those vulnerable women?

This is assuming that youd ever violuntter with female prisoners at all.

I have not advised you what to do with your time and I suggest you stop trying to tell women who are concerned with the erosion of women's rights by trans ideology (you are on the sex and gender board) what to do with our time.

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 09:15

Lexibletheflexible · Today 08:47

That's how I know you dont know what you're talking about because I've never said TWAW. Silly.

The women locked up with Karen White will hsve.been dodging sexual assault and mistreatment from the POs before Karen got there, and long after Karen leaves.

This idea that women are only vulnerable to abuse in prison when trans women are inmates is ridiculous. It's more that women who are just like you and men who are just like your husband torture them while they are in there because they believe it's their job ti punish prisoners. That is an immediate concern to prisoners.

Their health
Their kids
Their education
Their housing

These are the things they care about

Deary me you really are desperate aren't you "torturing" yer daft appeth

your posts are on this board for anyone to read and your views on TW are very clear

New posts on this thread. Refresh page