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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Arm the Dolls'

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 05/07/2026 10:23

Pictured is Natacha Kennedy of Goldsmiths.

T shirt says 'Arm the Dolls'

'Arm the Dolls'
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NullaEffugium · 05/07/2026 21:48

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/07/2026 21:15

This is about the leftovers of the women’s and queer movements losing access to our reproductive labor

Transwomen don't perform any reproductive labour. Only women can perform reproductive labour, by gestating and bearing children. This is a textbook example of a) telling a big lie and hoping it will stick, b) colonising and appropriating women's language, and c) DARVO, as these men who have parasitised feminism try to claim that feminists have parasitised them.

In Harlem recently a young trans woman of color, Jaia Cruz, was attacked by a man in a deli. The man struck Jaia repeatedly, calling her a faggot and a tranny. Jaia stabbed him in self defense and her attacker died.

I bolded the passive voice, blame-avoiding, reframing language because it's so telling of how the writer is a man and sees the situation through a male lens. Cruz's attacker didn't "die", Cruz killed him by escalating the situation from a weaponless assault to a knifing and killing his attacker in what English law would regard as manslaughter, using a weapon that would get anyone, male or female, arrested and charged just for carrying it in public in England. Unless New York has stand-your-ground laws that apply in public places, Cruz is rightly going to jail for doing that, as should anyone, regardless of sex, colour, or anything else.

A woman would probably not have responded in this way. A woman would have tried to defuse the situation, appealed for help from the deli staff, or fled.

I'm not claiming that Cruz deserved to be assaulted, he didn't. I'm highlighting how men reach for violent retaliation, whether that's wise or not, and women don't. I'm highlighting how the writer considers lethal retaliation to be a right, framed as an act of self-defence, in a situation that Cruz could have run away from, and how this is a very typical male way of thinking about threats posed by others.

This writer is either utterly deluded in the clinical sense, or else an utter sociopath who takes pleasure in lying to people.

Yes, lots of issues in the article.

I saw a call to arms for violent protest in the US over the recent law changes.

I'm highlighting how men reach for violent retaliation, whether that's wise or not, and women don't.

However, I think you are over generalising how women react to being attacked.

Many US women carry guns in their purses and legitimate self-defence isn’t considered a type of manslaughter:
https://abc13.com/post/woman-faces-charges-after-self-defense-shooting-while-pregnant/4112238/ (the charges in this case was for possession of a gun when she’d been banned from gun ownership due to a prior drugs conviction. The actual shooting and killing of an intruder was ruled justified)

This woman in Canada was never charged with an offence after stabbing and killing her attacker
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/police-woman-killed-attacker-knife-230433693.html

In the case of Jaia Cruz, it wasn’t self-defence not by New York law and Jaia Cruz rightly pled guilty to manslaughter.

In the UK, women who kill their attackers do get convicted of manslaughter and a knife charge on top.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48053117

So as for why women in England don’t retaliate or fight back, that could be more to do with the misogyny of the English justice system not recognising self defence rather than inherent womanhood.

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 21:53

murasaki · 05/07/2026 21:46

You corrected my use of 'he' to a 'she ' upthread, so yes you do try to compel language. Do try to remember what you write, it might help.

That was an unserious attempt to annoy you :D And I obviously knew you wouldn’t do it anyway

In my real life, I have never told anyone how to refer to me or correct them. They just get it right

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 21:57

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 21:53

That was an unserious attempt to annoy you :D And I obviously knew you wouldn’t do it anyway

In my real life, I have never told anyone how to refer to me or correct them. They just get it right

Edited

They’re probably terrified of the fallout from getting it “wrong”.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/07/2026 22:00

NullaEffugium · 05/07/2026 21:48

Yes, lots of issues in the article.

I saw a call to arms for violent protest in the US over the recent law changes.

I'm highlighting how men reach for violent retaliation, whether that's wise or not, and women don't.

However, I think you are over generalising how women react to being attacked.

Many US women carry guns in their purses and legitimate self-defence isn’t considered a type of manslaughter:
https://abc13.com/post/woman-faces-charges-after-self-defense-shooting-while-pregnant/4112238/ (the charges in this case was for possession of a gun when she’d been banned from gun ownership due to a prior drugs conviction. The actual shooting and killing of an intruder was ruled justified)

This woman in Canada was never charged with an offence after stabbing and killing her attacker
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/police-woman-killed-attacker-knife-230433693.html

In the case of Jaia Cruz, it wasn’t self-defence not by New York law and Jaia Cruz rightly pled guilty to manslaughter.

In the UK, women who kill their attackers do get convicted of manslaughter and a knife charge on top.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48053117

So as for why women in England don’t retaliate or fight back, that could be more to do with the misogyny of the English justice system not recognising self defence rather than inherent womanhood.

with the misogyny of the English justice system not recognising self defence rather than inherent womanhood.

Men in England are far far more likely to commit manslaughter than women are, despite the differences in law. Reaching for violence is a male trait, regardless of jurisdiction.

I don't think that our manslaughter laws can be framed as “misogyny". If stand your ground was legalised here, women would still come off worse. A man "standing his ground" can kill the woman he claims is threatening him far more easily than she can kill him.

Many US women carry guns in their purses

Over here, we call those containers for your everyday carry "handbags" and your "purse" is the smaller container for your money and bank cards that lives inside your handbag.

Firearms are a great equaliser in that the strength differences between the sexes are irrelevant to their effective operation, unless you have some super chunky Colt revolver that weighs loads. However, men are still a lot more likely to reach for their pistols than women are.

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:03

Still confirmation that you know to use the male facilities when unisex ones aren't available @DumbfoundedAndUnhappy ?

Oh - and everyone knows you're a man, they're either too polite to correct your delusion to your face or they're scared of the consequences of their 'wrongthink'.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/07/2026 22:03

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 21:53

That was an unserious attempt to annoy you :D And I obviously knew you wouldn’t do it anyway

In my real life, I have never told anyone how to refer to me or correct them. They just get it right

Edited

Translation: they feel socially pressured into using wrong sex pronouns

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:04

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 21:57

They’re probably terrified of the fallout from getting it “wrong”.

That doesn’t really ring true to me. And if it is, what am I personally meant to do about that?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/07/2026 22:05

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:04

That doesn’t really ring true to me. And if it is, what am I personally meant to do about that?

Stop pretending to be something you’re not

it’s really very simple

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:06

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/07/2026 22:05

Stop pretending to be something you’re not

it’s really very simple

What does that mean though? Do I have to go back to a male name? Do I have dress more masculine?

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:07

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:04

That doesn’t really ring true to me. And if it is, what am I personally meant to do about that?

Of course you don't want to believe it - but it's true.

What you're meant to do about it is to ensure that your correct sex based pronouns are used, just as you're meant to use the correct sex based facilities.

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:08

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:04

That doesn’t really ring true to me. And if it is, what am I personally meant to do about that?

Well, you’re the one telling everyone you’re actually a woman when they can see full well that you’re a man - what do you think you could do about that? 🤔

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:09

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:08

Well, you’re the one telling everyone you’re actually a woman when they can see full well that you’re a man - what do you think you could do about that? 🤔

I’m obviously not going up to people in regular interactions and telling them I am a woman

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:14

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:09

I’m obviously not going up to people in regular interactions and telling them I am a woman

No, best not - unless you want them to think you're mad.

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:15

A man presenting as a woman suggests he has certain expectations of those around him.
Some (most) do not react well to not having those expectations met.

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:20

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:15

A man presenting as a woman suggests he has certain expectations of those around him.
Some (most) do not react well to not having those expectations met.

I’m just presenting in the way that I want to. How you chose to respond to that is on you.

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:25

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:20

I’m just presenting in the way that I want to. How you chose to respond to that is on you.

And look what happens to women who respond in the 'wrong' way - and don't pretend you don't know exactly what I mean or what the consequences are.

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:25

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:20

I’m just presenting in the way that I want to. How you chose to respond to that is on you.

You’re still missing the point. It’s not always safe for women to respond as they please, as you surely must know?

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:26

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:25

You’re still missing the point. It’s not always safe for women to respond as they please, as you surely must know?

Of course he knows.

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:28

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:26

Of course he knows.

Yes. It’s all part of the thrill.

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:28

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:25

And look what happens to women who respond in the 'wrong' way - and don't pretend you don't know exactly what I mean or what the consequences are.

I do know what you mean, and you obviously would have no way to know this in the moment but I’m not going to kick up a fuss or try get someone fired if they call me he. I do understand that some people would. But unless you expect me to go around telling everyone to call me he, there is nothing I can do.

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:31

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:28

I do know what you mean, and you obviously would have no way to know this in the moment but I’m not going to kick up a fuss or try get someone fired if they call me he. I do understand that some people would. But unless you expect me to go around telling everyone to call me he, there is nothing I can do.

Do exactly that.
Don’t you all go round declaring your pronouns right, left and centre, whether anyone gives a toss or not?

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:32

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:31

Do exactly that.
Don’t you all go round declaring your pronouns right, left and centre, whether anyone gives a toss or not?

I certainly don’t go around declaring my pronouns.

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:33

KilkennyCats · 05/07/2026 22:28

Yes. It’s all part of the thrill.

What do you think the thrill is?

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:33

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:28

I do know what you mean, and you obviously would have no way to know this in the moment but I’m not going to kick up a fuss or try get someone fired if they call me he. I do understand that some people would. But unless you expect me to go around telling everyone to call me he, there is nothing I can do.

You don't have to do anything - as you are well aware.

And believe me - you don't need to tell anyone you're a man, they already know. They also know that the consequences of using the correct sex pronouns for you could mean there are serious repercussions for them. Perhaps you enjoy that male privilege which as women we know runs deep.

BTW - what about those unisex facilities I've asked you about?

DumbfoundedAndUnhappy · 05/07/2026 22:51

SirChenjins · 05/07/2026 22:33

You don't have to do anything - as you are well aware.

And believe me - you don't need to tell anyone you're a man, they already know. They also know that the consequences of using the correct sex pronouns for you could mean there are serious repercussions for them. Perhaps you enjoy that male privilege which as women we know runs deep.

BTW - what about those unisex facilities I've asked you about?

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Perhaps you enjoy that male privilege which as women we know runs deep.
This is a ridiculous thing to suggest without really knowing anything about me or my history.

They also know that the consequences of using the correct sex pronouns for you could mean there are serious repercussions for them
I think people now need to stand up for their beliefs then. The law is on your side.