'Arm the Dolls'

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

Pictured is Natacha Kennedy of Goldsmiths.

T shirt says 'Arm the Dolls'

'Sharing'

A man using a women's space is not 'sharing'. As soon as a man enters a women's space it is mixed sex. It becomes a space where women's privacy, dignity, and safety are compromised.

Mixed sex spaces are more risky for women. We are entitled to privacy, dignity, and safety, and no we won't sacrifice our privacy, dignity, and safety because you think it's not 'that bad' if women are frightened, intimidated, threatened, triggered, uneasy, etc.

Men in men's spaces are evenly matched in terms of size, weight, muscle strength and likelihood of criminality. Even men who really don't want to use men's spaces are male and as a class, not at a disadvantage comparison to women. Males also don't have the risk of pregnancy that women have.

On this green earth how could anyone suggest a man who is of the sex class that is larger, stronger, commits 80% of violent crime and 99% of sex crime, should be put in with women, because he wants to be?

Outside their own heads trans "women" have nothing more in common with women than any other man does. There is no more basis to include trans "women" in women's spaces than there is to include them in a collection of spoons, a list of famous hats or a donkey sanctuary.

The only way trans "woman" can be justified in women's spaces is if you (a) reduec "womanhood" to something social, visual or personality-based, meaning it's no longer relevant to the female half of humanity who basically don't get to matter enough to be named anymore (super sexist), or (b) understand a woman is adult human female which a trans "woman" is not, but decide those adult human females can just bloody well bunk up and let trans women in anyway because it's selfish for women to expect to matter as much as sad trans "women" (also super sexist.)

I didn't say he in the question, I said you. As I was addressing you.

What was the question?

Thanks. It was what is so bad about women having their own spaces away from men and transwomen.

This was after you'd asked what was so bad about sharing with transwomen and I answered.

It was a while ago, i had to go check the previous page as it's been busy!

I don’t have a good answer to that question. Anything I come up with is incredibly selfish and shortsighted on my part.

I don’t think the solution is forcing trans people to share with their birth sex, but I also don’t see how trans women can share with women when women should have single sex spaces.

Thanks for answering. So your own spaces then. Will we see some campaigning for that? That's where you might get some supportive women, as long as the trans people did the donkey work first of course.

The amount of men who transition during their 'mid life crisis' years and then pose in womens clothes erm, 'aroused' shows it is.

They are not extreme. They are the norm. Genuine trans is extremely, extremely, extremely rare. 1% of them are genuine. And these are the ones also who say they have no problems at all in the mens and don't use womens spaces.

Absolutely, as many detransitioners prove. And the overwhelming majority of trans is simply self-ID. Nothing done at all except pop on a dress. Taking hormones is the level highest the vast overwhelming majority do.

Or, how about what really happened? That instead of female people feeling that they had no alternative but to accept what we had been told was kind and inclusive by a group of authoritarians who wanted their demands fulfilled, we finally felt we had the freedom to tell the truth about our needs? That after years of being told that this was the only progressive solution and that we had to suck up any discomfort and any needs that we saw being ignored in the name of rights for others, we saw the result of court cases where some incredibly brave female people said ‘this is not progressive for women, we have needs too!’ and we understood the groups who had told us they were the kindest and most tolerant had completely disregarded the needs of female people in the focused prioritisation of male people.

Or maybe those being polled had had direct experience of male people in female single sex provisions over the intervening years and could answer from a position of experience now.

Either way, thanks for saying the quiet bit out loud.

This is an absolute lie. There are zero reputable studies on neurology or endocrinology. Zero.

I’m talking about the fact gender dysphoria is a clinically observed and recognised condition.

Not neurologically or endocrinologically. You lied there.

There is decades of research looking at transgender people and gender dysphoria, and treatments and outcomes.

And all legitimate research shows that a) most children grow out of it, b) 'affirming' it does not produce good outcomes and c) most trans suicides are post-surgery.

“a targeted campaign to remove trans rights has worked”.

There we have it.

Not only is this a great example of the manipulation we have been pointing to, it is a great example of the authoritarian. / totalitarian aspect as well.

It is also a beacon pointing out the direct conflict between the rights of female people and the demands from male people with transgender identities.

Rights really are pie, it seems. Despite being told there was no conflict and that rights are not pie and the constant denial of the conflict we kept pointing out. Scratch the surface of kindess and tolerance and we are told that campaigning for the needs of female people has removed trans rights.

Yet, people with transgender identities have equal rights compared to others. What has been described as being ‘removed’ has been the denial or reversal of the additional privileges that had been demanded and granted by some organisations.

People with transgender identities still have the same rights as other people.

We are still waiting for those links for that decades of research.

If I remember correctly a different username just last week made the same declaration and also didn’t post any links.

Except as shown, that doesn't help. Medical transition does not help. Intensive psychiatric therapy in a facility would help.

No, it really is not the treatment. Not at all.

The fact that less than 8% have any surgery is proof it is not required. For the overwhelming majority, it's an chosen 'identity'. Many trans have even said they do not have dysphoria.

No, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that they are exactly the same thing! And you know it. And it's up to the victim in each of those to determine how they feel, not you, a male. And not a white person.

And, in addition, it is no different from transracialism ie Rachel Dolezal identifying as an African American. You have no comeback for that, do you. Both cases (males identifying as women, white people identifying as a person of colour) are the privileged/oppressor group trying to identify into another group's oppression.

Accurate reporting of court case outcomes, the crimes committed by male people where media refused to use demanded female language, and articles reporting and discussing policy changes that centred female people’s needs is now being framed as ‘negative media for transgender people’?

Thank you for the heads up that this previous tactic is back again. It is remarkable, isn’t it, that the public relations exercise that was flooding the media with stories that focused on one group of people so that that group was overrepresented in all media, including tv shows, has back fired. Because people are human and eventually resent the fuck out of feeling manipulated by media.

Whether it is news, movies, social media, the backlash comes eventually when people feel that they have been manipulated and that they are being told to support subjective beliefs that are not based on material reality instead of being told about the material reality around them.

If reporting on court cases and policy change discussions and outcomes is now being classified as ‘negative’ media for male people with transgender identities instead of as positive moments for female people, that is more saying the quiet bits out loud.

If the manipulative and false labelling or categorising women’s and girl’s rights campaigners as ‘anti-trans’ in media, including nationally owned media agencies, has also artificially increased the number of ‘negative’ mentions of trans people, well, that gets ignored doesn’t it? That women’s and girl’s rights campaigners are labelled as ‘anti-trans’ means an increase in negative media mentions is guaranteed.

This thread has been a great insight into tactics.

Almost none of them actually have any surgery. Taking hormones is not painful. Putting on a dress is not painful. Self-ID is painless. In fact, it takes an extraordinary level of narcissism to not consider how the recipient feels, and think that your 'intent' is all that matters.

Reader’s note: here is an example of the manipulation that was pointed out earlier.

”Sorry, I don’t respond to he.”

This is an example of emotional coercion tactics. The denial of contact because the other person chose to use accurate language that was based on material reality instead of complying to a language demand based on someone’s subjective belief that is not based on material reality.

What has also been shown here too, is the dishonesty in claims that some male posters make that they do not control the language used by others in their life when they also claim all the people in their life just treat them as female without any direction or cues from them.